The shady world of Brave selling copyrighted data for AI training

Post by choppaface » Sun, Jul 16, 2023, 9:05 AM UTC

w0ts0n wrote: post #52

hartator wrote: post #22

> Simply observe the event in which a user does a query q in Brave and then, within one hour, does the same query on a different search engine. What we do is to move the script that detects bad-queries to the browser, run it against the queries that the user does in real-time and then, when all conditions are met, send the following data back to our servers. Wait. Brave browser sends back to Brave Search engine about…

This is (importantly) opt-in. "Brave doesn’t follow the sneaky practices of other big tech search engines. The Web Discovery Project is opt-in, and the data collected under the Web Discovery Project has specific protections to ensure anonymity." per https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409406835469-Wh...

Post by k__ » Sun, Jul 16, 2023, 5:03 PM UTC

yamsamlater wrote: post #116

throwaway675309 wrote: post #111

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I don't know a lot about this particular approach but your comment that it's just using Google results is blatantly false. It all depends on the search engine that the brave user is leveraging, or no search engine if they type in the URL directly into the header.

Nonsense. This naive idea that Brave innocuously looks at user's traffic patterns. Google owns 95% of the market in most Western markets. There's no "blatantly false" about that. They scrape search engine results and present them as their own. Do 10,000 searches on Google and Brave and you'll see how similar they are. It's as simple as that, scraping by sleight of hand. Why can't they be a normal search engine - beca…

Post by spiderfarmer » Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 9:13 AM UTC

yamsamlater wrote: post #116

throwaway675309 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know a lot about this particular approach but your comment that it's just using Google results is blatantly false. It all depends on the search engine that the brave user is leveraging, or no search engine if they type in the URL directly into the header.

Nonsense. This naive idea that Brave innocuously looks at user's traffic patterns. Google owns 95% of the market in most Western markets. There's no "blatantly false" about that. They scrape search engine results and present them as their own. Do 10,000 searches on Google and Brave and you'll see how similar they are. It's as simple as that, scraping by sleight of hand. Why can't they be a normal search engine - beca…

Post by wallmountedtv » Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #27

411111111111111 wrote: post #23

It's always surprising to me when I hear people using the brave browser... It's by a company that initially tried to replace their blocked ads with their own "safe and non-intrusive" ads as far as I remember, until they backpaddled because of the outrage. It's also a for-profit company and you're not the customer, as you're not paying them money. I'd be way more worried how they're using the data they're collecting o…

We have these cropping up like ants. Mullvad Brave Opera Vivaldi Microsoft Heck zoho is in on a browser now What net gain does each of these companies provide over skinning chromium that isn't in Firefox? Last time I asked brave fanboys why they don't redskin Firefox and the response was "Firefox is pita to build" all the while we have projects like palemoon and waterfox that are hobby projects. If they can work with…