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Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by stainablesteel » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

Bystander22 wrote: post #112

stainablesteel wrote: post #107

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where did they migrate to? i'm still looking for a replacement to the r/python community that was [tyrannically] taken down by mods who hid a poll to do so under some vaguely named sticky post that was the most useful place to find new python projects on the internet and i'm still peeved that the mods didn't propose any new place for the users to go

>some vaguely named sticky post June 7: 'Should r/Python participate in the June 12th Blackout' https://imgur.com/a/A2gfdmd

that was the first post, they shut down the re-opened

when they re-opened only mods could post, and it was a daily discussion thread

then there was a sticky, a poorly named one, where apparently there was another poll about what to do with the sub.

next comes a day when they plan to shut the sub down and the comment section is filled with people saying they didn't know this was happening and that the sticky was vaguely named.

so, no, i'm not referring to the june 7th post

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by stainablesteel » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

thesuitonym wrote: post #116

stainablesteel wrote: post #107

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where did they migrate to? i'm still looking for a replacement to the r/python community that was [tyrannically] taken down by mods who hid a poll to do so under some vaguely named sticky post that was the most useful place to find new python projects on the internet and i'm still peeved that the mods didn't propose any new place for the users to go

It's commonly considered bad form to not read the stickies on a forum you're posting on. Here's an old, but handy guide to using internet forums (Posting And You): https://youtu.be/1t2mblcFQ-Q

its bad form to hide a poll inside a vaguely named sticky

then when an announcement was made about them shutting the sub down (post blackout), the thread was filled with people complaining that this wasn't a fair poll and that most weren't even aware it was there

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

NicuCalcea wrote: post #95

mypastself wrote: post #47

Tangentially related, but what happened to the protest? Did all the mods just fold after the threat of being replaced? For something that was pushed so hard for a couple of weeks on Reddit’s front page, it’s bizarre how forgotten the protest seems to be after the changes were put into effect.

I used to mod several subreddits, I've left all but one. Some still have mods, others are now abandoned and starting to get overrun by spam.

Yeah sounds like a win, let them pay for moderation if they want to alienate their user base

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by Bystander22 » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 6:30 PM UTC

stainablesteel wrote: post #121

Bystander22 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>some vaguely named sticky post June 7: 'Should r/Python participate in the June 12th Blackout' https://imgur.com/a/A2gfdmd

that was the first post, they shut down the re-opened when they re-opened only mods could post, and it was a daily discussion thread then there was a sticky, a poorly named one, where apparently there was another poll about what to do with the sub. next comes a day when they plan to shut the sub down and the comment section is filled with people saying they didn't know this was happening and that the sticky was vague…

I'm not sure they were hiding anything; maybe you just missed it among the thousands of other posts collectively across thousands of subs about the blackout protest. There was also:

* June 11: 'r/Python Will Black Out on June 12 at 00:00 UTC'

* June 12: 'By community vote, r/Python will Return to a Blackout'

* June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which prompted the recent Blackout. Here's our announcement for doing the Blackout....' and then 'Hence we wish to take another poll of community feedback...'

* June 28: 'By community vote, r/Python will Return to a Blackout'

Looks like the volunteer r/python mods were doing their best to keep everyone involved in the decision-making and informed of the outcomes while also juggling that volunteer activity for a for-profit company with their paying jobs and real-world responsibilities.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by stainablesteel » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

Bystander22 wrote: post #124

stainablesteel wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that was the first post, they shut down the re-opened when they re-opened only mods could post, and it was a daily discussion thread then there was a sticky, a poorly named one, where apparently there was another poll about what to do with the sub. next comes a day when they plan to shut the sub down and the comment section is filled with people saying they didn't know this was happening and that the sticky was vague…

I'm not sure they were hiding anything; maybe you just missed it among the thousands of other posts collectively across thousands of subs about the blackout protest. There was also: * June 11: 'r/Python Will Black Out on June 12 at 00:00 UTC' * June 12: 'By community vote, r/Python will Return to a Blackout' * June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which p…

> * June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which prompted the recent Blackout. Here's our announcement for doing the Blackout....' and then 'Hence we wish to take another poll of community feedback...'

i'm confused about your post, is this 4 topics? was this all one long title? what was this except exactly as what i described it as?

and that's my point, it wasn't as transparent as it should have been

and if they want a blackout, so be it, but propose another place for people to aggregate. why destroy a community over this pettiness that's all but gone away since it happened? why does the same end result that happened in CrossValidated need to happen there too? what good does this do in the world?

its all passive aggressiveness when communication can literally solve everyones problem, especially when this was the issue with the reddit admins to begin with! why are they acting like the reddit admins by refusing to communicate properly? its all so ridiculous

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by mikeravkine » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC

thesuitonym wrote: post #115

denysvitali wrote: post #96

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Which is sort of also what you're doing with federated platforms. Just look at what's happening with Meta's Threads and Mastodon. In the end you'll always have someone in the driver seat deciding for you who's going to see what (by not federating with threads.net for example). In a similar fashion, the code is AGPLv3 so you can run your own instance in both cases

The difference with a federated solution is that if you don't like the driver, you can switch to a different one.

No, no you can't! When the admin borks the server that holds your data, it's just gone.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by glonq » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 7:18 PM UTC

mypastself wrote: post #47

Tangentially related, but what happened to the protest? Did all the mods just fold after the threat of being replaced? For something that was pushed so hard for a couple of weeks on Reddit’s front page, it’s bizarre how forgotten the protest seems to be after the changes were put into effect.

I left and never returned. I spend more time on HN now, and am trying to become satisfied with Lemmy too.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by Bystander22 » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 7:29 PM UTC

stainablesteel wrote: post #125

Bystander22 wrote: post #124

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I'm not sure they were hiding anything; maybe you just missed it among the thousands of other posts collectively across thousands of subs about the blackout protest. There was also: * June 11: 'r/Python Will Black Out on June 12 at 00:00 UTC' * June 12: 'By community vote, r/Python will Return to a Blackout' * June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which p…

> * June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which prompted the recent Blackout. Here's our announcement for doing the Blackout....' and then 'Hence we wish to take another poll of community feedback...' i'm confused about your post, is this 4 topics? was this all one long title? what was this except exactly as what i described it as? and that's my point, it…

>i'm confused about your post, is this 4 topics? was this all one long title? what was this except exactly as what i described it as?

It was one of many posts that the r/python volunteer mods made, giving everyone a chance to vote and discuss. Was it "hidden" as you say? I don't know - I don't think so, it was a vote-by-comment instead of reddit poll to reduce fakery, and it required some context so everyone knew what they were voting on.

Archive here: https://archive.is/WI5Ei

Good luck in your search for a new community. Perhaps drop in the discord server and see if anyone has suggestions for you. Link is on the sidebar of the archived page.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by stainablesteel » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 7:40 PM UTC

Bystander22 wrote: post #128

stainablesteel wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * June 16: 'An Update about our Community' (text started with links, 'Here is a summary of the changes which prompted the recent Blackout. Here's our announcement for doing the Blackout....' and then 'Hence we wish to take another poll of community feedback...' i'm confused about your post, is this 4 topics? was this all one long title? what was this except exactly as what i described it as? and that's my point, it…

>i'm confused about your post, is this 4 topics? was this all one long title? what was this except exactly as what i described it as? It was one of many posts that the r/python volunteer mods made, giving everyone a chance to vote and discuss. Was it "hidden" as you say? I don't know - I don't think so, it was a vote-by-comment instead of reddit poll to reduce fakery, and it required some context so everyone knew wha…

right, the topic title isn't called "vote here", its not direct

and if you archived the post later to include all the comments on the post that came after, you'd see all the comments saying they didn't even know this was coming

and i probably won't need to find another community i'll just wait until these mods are dethroned by the admins

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by ThatPlayer » Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 7:42 PM UTC

flyinghamster wrote: post #111

ThatPlayer wrote: post #31

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I do something similar with a different user hostile website with lots of user generated content: scraped all the content, and built a viewer. I would love to not have to, but the contributors I follow are still on the site instead of the less user hostile alternatives. Running a web scraper is easier than convincing all the users to change to a different site, and the (user-generated) content is good enough that I'm…

Browser extensions (either bespoke or existing content blockers) could be another way to deal with user-hostile sites. Unfortunately, with either approach, it becomes a cat-and-mouse game the second the extension or scraper becomes popular.

The site I'm scraping will also just deny users access to the content regularly. It's not even a per-user rate limit, but seems to be site-wide. Unless you pay. They've recently also started banning too many requests, so a simple refresh script I used to use no longer works.

So what I need isn't just a simple content blocker, but also an auxiliary database, and maybe a browser extension to pull data from that source instead.