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Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Those things were cool. I wanted to buy one for years, just couldn’t find one in person. I was going to screw it to the back of my monitor to get a Linux all in one like setup going Man. Maybe I should grab one before it’s too late. Why do companies keep killing their coolest products?

There are tons of USFF / Micro form factor PCs from Dell, HP, and Lenovo on ebay, they're often a lot cheaper than the NUC too because they're usually old business hardware being sold off in bulk.

The NUC is neat but it's certainly not the only PC in that style out there.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

The Mac Mini is a totally different market: it 1) runs macOS 2) has Apple Silicon 3) has no competitors for running macOS 4) is the cheapest entry point into iOS development which is a high paying job

In the US, maybe. Android rules the rest of the world and Europe, Japan and China.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

> BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

Serve the Home has an entire series on small systems:

* https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple does totally fine with mac mini How do you know this? I personally decided against a mini when I specced one out and a MBP wound up cheaper. The pricing strategy certainly made me _feel_ like they were pushing me away from the mini.

TBH I dont own a mini but I have used it and it seems fine. online reviews are also decent if you go above baseline 8Gb. but thats targeted towards mac users which are already in higher price bracket so not too bad. plus its better if power consumption and noise level. overall I feel that there is enough integration density in processors that the laptop form factors will be good enough for most common (& semi advance…

Intel nucs are fine too. The question isn’t if they’re fine, the question is if they make good business sense.

Also, apple’s crazy profitability means they may offer something like the mini that doesn’t sell as well as their laptop, while intel is ruthlessly cutting out things that aren’t part of their core business because of their monetary issues.

If Intel can’t compete with cheaper manufacturers and its not hitting their internal required rate of return then it may no longer justify having that business unit at all.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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This makes me reflect on prior milestones in PC packaging from my own POV. There is an almost tidal dance between the various thermal and performance measures and how these different devices meet use cases. But I think there is also the overall flattening trend where machines have exceeded "good enough" for many people and so the differences are more subtle, highlighting thinks like expansion/upgrade/maintenance versus aesthetics or other intangibles.

A long-term shift for me is that my storage needs stopped growing with the market. Decades ago, I needed to run multiple HDDs whether for mass storage or RAID protection, but now find myself satisfied with mostly single-SSD systems. For personal use, I can mirror and backup between systems rather than needing so much redundancy inside of one. And, any machine I would consider today has sufficient desktop graphics to drive one or two 4K displays to my satisfaction for reading, writing, web browsing, and general software development. The most relevant specs for me now are CPU+GPU+RAM vs power consumption, noise, and heat.

You might think the NUC was aimed right at me. But, I ignored NUCs as I saw them as just another bookshelf system which I'd already dismissed before Intel entered the game. For an integrated black box, laptops seem close enough to the same specs, while arguably having more versatility and better pricing due to their market size and economy of scale. But let me go back through my long-term observations here...

A little over 20 years ago, the Pentium-M made a showing that seemed to bring laptop performance up to meet desktops, largely because it was so much more power efficient and didn't suffer as much thermal throttling while competing against the hot-running Pentium 4. For a brief period, I thought all I needed was a Thinkpad. I also fantasized about a desktop based on one (or more!) of these chips. Years before that, the Pentium MMX made a similar showing in laptops, but then desktops got into SMP and bigger RAM and the MHz wars.

Around the same time as the Pentium-M, mini PCs like the Shuttle XPC gained popularity as a format between normal desktops and laptops. They usually used desktop chips and heat-pipe cooling solutions, with some limited expansion bays for disks and PCI cards. But the Athlon64 soon arrived and upset the status quo. I was enamored with an XPC running an Athlon64. I later soured on this XPC form factor when I realized it was almost as disposable as a laptop. Few parts would complement the exact model I owned, and most useful upgrades meant a whole system replacement. I learned that motherboards, power supplies, and cooling solutions also need maintenance or upgrade options.

I reverted to uATX boards and chassis for home systems. I could manage these as Ships of Theseus with more modular upgrades over a decade or more, including a system that migrated from Athlon64 to Athlon64 x2 to Phenom. Also following on the Pentium-M was Intel's response to the Athlon64---the Core and Core2 eras. I left AMD behind and enjoyed long-lived Core 2 systems starting starting with the venerable Q6600 and visting Haswell to end with Skylake. I still have the Skylake system in cold storage, because I've found myself back just running laptops.

On my employer's budget, I always went with beefy Intel-based workstations in the office and Thinkpads for travel and after hours or occasional WfH duty. My home systems were mostly for entertainment. The Covid lockdown sent me back into using a work laptop full-time, as we scurried to full WfH. My first Ryzen-based Thinkpad was eye opening as a capable desktop when docked. I eventually retired the workstation in my (now vacant) office, as I wasn't even bothering to access it anymore. Other work things continue on remote access colo servers and cloud hosting...

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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The NUC was a great idea delivered by a company that was totally opposed to it by design. You had big fat inefficient Intel cores crammed into low TDP applications and to make matters worse they wanted massive margins. Could’ve been a fantastic product delivered by ARM or some smartphone manufacturer.
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