If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?
US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
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I have counter theory. It's a balloon.
The videos show the spheres moving quickly, often back and forth. Pilots have reported spheres hovering stationary over a spot during hurricane level winds. From all the reports it sounds like there is some kind of propulsion mechanism.
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#123 * The government has previously used X to divert attention therefore there is no X.
* The person saying X is an accomplice of X and cannot be trusted.
* Demanding the answer to the question about X is dangerous because national security.
* X is a distraction from something bad Trump did.
* X is a distraction from something bad Biden did.
* X is a distraction from the recent Supreme Court decisions.
* X could never be covered up by the government - refuses to believe copious whistleblower testimony about X with no reason than it's impossible for the government to be able to cover X up.Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs? I am sure there is a scientist somewhere willing to take credit can get a nobel prize. Or just say it was discovered by Darpa, don't ask questions but here is how it works?
This was my first thought as well, and I think there are a number of possible reasons: - The tech is so far beyond our own that it would be unreasonable to claim it was developed in secret labs within plausible timeframes - They know it exists, but don’t know how it works, and there are growing concerns about adversaries beating us to that understanding - They believe adversaries have already figured things out or ha…
Any technology that much more advanced than our own would require intermediary technologies before we could replicate it. If you took a car back to ancient Rome, they wouldn't be able to replicate it in one step even if they understood it, because you need sufficiently refined fuel, metallurgy, manufacturing precision, etc.
The technological baseline needed to rollout any wildly advanced technology would necessarily lead to an incremental advancement before we got to the end result, and each step would be a plausibly "natural" advancement on current technology.
There doesn't seem to be any particular place where a bunch of wild advancements are emerging from, which leads to a few likely possibilities: we haven't found alien technology; we have, but it's so advanced that we haven't cracked the surface yet; or we have, and have cracked the surface, and are replicating it, but they're doing a very good job keeping it secret. I don't think it's possible to keep the lid on something that big, and space is so big that I'm very inclined towards the first one.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the most notable UAP/UFO encounters ever took place in South Africa at an elementary school.
Did you mean Zimbabwe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_School_UFO_incident
> The sightings at Ariel occurred at 10am on 16 September 1994, when pupils were outside on mid-morning break.[1] The adult faculty at the school were inside having a meeting at the time.
How convenient that all the adults were inside and only 6-12 year old children saw it. Anyone who believes this story is far too credulous.
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#127While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has. Secrecy increases the cost, so it is, in effect, part of the “stick” end of the carrots and sticks. If there hadn’t been secrecy, would the return to sanity that stopped the South American nuclear arms race been too late? Secrecy should not be dismissed.
There is essentially no secrecy. Research the Nth Country Experiment
There is secrecy, which is why the countries that haven’t found a shortcut around it (as in the nuclear arms race between Argentina and Brazil) have a harder road than those that do (like South Africa via Israel).
> Research the Nth Country Experiment
The Nth Country Experiment focused on paper design of a device, which, while a requirement to getting to functional nuclear weapons, isn’t the whole or, in practice, the limiting factor.
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#129I have heard these types of claims many times. The people making them seem more credible at first glance this time, but I am firmly in the camp of being deeply skeptical until I see concrete proof presented. That being said, I don’t completely discount the possibility. One answer to the Fermi paradox is that there isn’t one, and I can think of many reasons multiple governments would try to keep stuff like this secret…
The thing that bothers me is they supposedly have 12 or more craft that have crashed. Aliens have super sophisticated tech that is hardy enough to travel millions of light years through space but it crashes so easy on earth? What caused them to crash? I'd like to believe, and I think 1 or 2 might be reasonable but the claim is 12, which doesn't account for ships obtained by other nations as Grusch said I'd happening.…
Selection bias. We don't know how many crafts fail to make it to Earth. Maybe the trip is extremely dangerous and only a percentage actually make it.
And/or, like most air & space travel, takeoff and landing are the most dangerous parts.
Also, we have a very good handle on air travel, but planes still crash sometimes.
(I don't actually believe we have ET crafts coming to earth, but it's fun thinking it through).
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#130(yes i know this sound completely paranoïd, but i have absolutely no other idea why they would do that)