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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by post-it »

hospitalJail wrote: post #79
wongarsu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has an equally annoying crusade against anything that isn't Chrome. Visit google.com with Edge (on desktop) and you immediately get a popup on the top right "Google recommends using Chrome. Built for Windows. Easily search on Google with the fast, secure browser". As if there was any material difference between the browsers. We need a comeback of antitrust enforcement with teeth to get both Microsoft and Googl…

Its so weird that one company isnt mentioned, but will straight up not allow you to run any programs they want. These have dark patterns, but freedom still. (Not M$ anymore, they restore defaults with each update)

Which company? You can run an unsigned .app on Mac with a ctrl+click, and there's also a system flag to change the block to a click-through popup. Apple is generally good at providing hidden flags to permanently turn off nanny mode, with a few exceptions (the context menu translation feature will happily tell you that a language isn't supported instead of letting you use Google Translate).

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by lozenge »

kwanbix wrote: post #107
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

I really don't like to use Edge, and I don't like imposed changes, however if you read the article, it says that it can be turned off, or am I missing something? "Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that."

Sure, let's just all have to turn off a new setting every month.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by coldpie »

hospitalJail wrote: post #86
Analemma_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users. Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group. If you don't…

I don't know whatever weird psychology junk you're talking about. I bought an iPhone Mini because it's literally the only phone on the market that fits in the human hand. iOS sucks and I'd love to go back to Android, but there are zero Android phones of a usable size available for purchase. So iPhone it is.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 7373737373 »

kjellsbells wrote: post #42
rationalist wrote: post #33

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Is Bill Gates still involved with Microsoft, I thought he retired to run his foundation?

He's completely gone from Microsoft. To invoke Gates now on a anti-Microsoft screed would be missing the point. If anyone has beef with Microsoft about Windows, their ire is better directed at Panos Panay and Satya Nadella.

Eventually, only the owners are responsible. Every second they don't kick the managers that implement this crap to the curb is a moral failure on their part.

Gates owns 100x more shares than Nadella - about 1% of all shares - and thus has 100x the responsibility.

They are both guilty of greed and disrespecting their customers through their actions, or their willful or negligent ignorance and inaction.

I don't know how they can live with this, they are already rich, why not try to be better even if you earn less money in the short term?

Disrespecting your customers will get you nowhere in the long term.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by pawelduda »

frob wrote: post #4

Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

Windows + 3rd party game launchers + shitty buggy games on release is triple the nightmare, better reserve 2h of your time for surprises if it's first time in a while you turn on your PC to play something on Windows. Probably reason #1 I love PS5, it has it's flaws but never takes longer than 5 minutes to go from power off to playing the game.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 13of40 »

Angostura wrote: post #111
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

That’s a configurable suggestion in Safari. Go to Settings > Safari and turn off ‘Safari suggestions’

A non-dark-pattern for that would be a button on the first suggestion that lets you disable the suggestion permanently.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by dr-detroit »

13of40 wrote: post #127
Angostura wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a configurable suggestion in Safari. Go to Settings > Safari and turn off ‘Safari suggestions’

A non-dark-pattern for that would be a button on the first suggestion that lets you disable the suggestion permanently.

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by RajT88 »

andsoitis wrote: post #105

Isn’t the bigger issue that Edge is really just Chromium with a different UI (AFAIK)?

Correct - Edge is Chromium with a bunch of different features surrounding it. Same core engine. Generally, they release a few days after a Chrome stable release comes out with the same code.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by reaperducer »

hospitalJail wrote: post #86
Analemma_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users. Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group. If you don't…

Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users.

This reads like the whining of a 14-year-old standing in a dark corner during the school dance. Translation:

"Look at me! I'm different! I'm so very counter-culture. People like Apple products, so I'm going to pretend it's a problem with the people and not other products. That way I can cosplay like I'm better/smarter/cooler than all those 'lemmings.' Now I'm going to smoke cigarettes, wear jeans, pop a leather jacket because nobody's been doing that since the 1940's. I'm special!"

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