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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#121
post #50

I don't see a way that Huffman can follow through on his threat. According to Reddark [1] at the time of this writing there are still 4752 subs that are dark. I understand that powermods exist, but were Huffman to follow through on his threat he would have to come up with many hundreds of willing moderators, on a rather short timeframe. Frankly, I don't see this happening, at least not without significant pain. Not t…

I tend to agree. Their thinking has to be that most mods (at least for the most important subreddits) either aren't willing to risk their positions or aren't that invested in the protest.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#122
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use Reddit and I get that beloved people get fired for any number of reasons, but AMAs have been noticeably worse since Victoria’s time running them. I actually can’t think of more than a handful of examples of great AMAs the last few years. At one point it was a press stop for almost anyone famous doing a tour, and that doesn’t seem to be true anymore.

Actually this is a great example of wht they're going to get. AMA's used to be a GREAT use of Reddit when Victoria ran them. The questions were fresh and it was a very broad pool of people they interviewed. Since then they've either been 1) terrible 2) obviously pimping something or 3) a combination of both. They're not even worth reading and I stopped looking at them years ago.

I agree. I thought they'd be able to replace Victoria and it'd be no issue. But the magic of AMA, part of what drew me to reddit in the first place, was gone. I scarcely look at them now.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#123
post #72
post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd pro…

> If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd probably laugh.

That's technically true, but that's because nobody today really thinks about Reddit AMAs, because there are fairly few of them and they're mostly lousy.

When they employed Victoria, AMAs were frequent and involved high-profile public figures engaging with the users in a way that, even if it was self-promotion, felt relatively genuine and was entertaining - This was because Victoria was essentially interviewing people with user-submitted questions, and she was good at it. The Reddit AMA was a cultural touchstone, like the late-night talk-show circuit.

Victoria herself was not somehow utterly irreplaceable, but as far as I can tell, they fired her and replaced her with nothing. With the result that Reddit lost a popular, interesting feature and a lot of cultural relevance.

I think it's very appropriate to compare that situation with the situation today, though perhaps not as you intended it; it won't burn down the site, Reddit will go on, but it will be a little worse and a little closer to that tipping point because of yet another bad management decision.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#124
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was my thought as well. To answer your question, though, I imagine bad faith actors of various flavors will be flocking the site: 1. Corporate marketing departments 2. Unpopular political/religious factions seeking to surreptitiously "move the needle" 3. Those who wanted to become mods before but didn't make the cut for completely valid reasons. Now they have an opportunity, only the quality will decrease as a r…

Finally, I can fulfill my destiny of taking over r/television and banning anyone who says anything positive about a show with a laugh track. It should never have been allowed to begin with.

More seriously, the other day someone spent significant time and effort trying to convince me that the new version of The Wonder Years featuring a black family was anti-white propaganda by The Jews. If he's a reddit user I'm sure he'd love to mod a sub with such a large community.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#125
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd pro…

> the average user noticed no difference I think the general consensus among Reddit is that AMA's were a lot higher quality back then.

Yeah I'm thoroughly confused by OP because AMAs are a noticeable bungled opportunity on Reddit's part: They were attracting extremely high-profile people (Obama did one at one point), and now it's far less a preeminent part of the platform than it used to be.

The average user noticed no difference because AMAs just kinda faded into the background and became an unimportant part of the site.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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>The power-tripping is payment in itself for those types. As if the current mods are any different? Honestly I don't mind this at all. The big subreddits have become so ossified in their power structures, that each community is its' own little fiefdom now. There is massive friction to being able to post anywhere. Reddit would be objectively better with a less heavy handed approach to moderation, and some kind of site…

>As if the current mods are any different? People haven't liked this much when I've said it in the past, but I think there's more to this than just API pricing. I think there's a lot of general discontent about how reddit works that saw people more likely to support this strike. Some because it was the last straw, some to watch it burn. While I do think reddit is blundering and taking their free labor and content for…

> People haven't liked this much when I've said it in the past, but I think there's more to this than just API pricing.

I'm sure that the majority of this is

WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS IN THE APP? ITS BETTER

true, but i think the API is one of the worst parts now. But there is

WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS IN THE APP? ITS BETTER

some functionality I use for old.reddit.com, that I'm pretty sure will be next on the chopping block...

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#127
post #72
post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd pro…

I think r/IAMA got a lot worse since Victoria left.

I used to visit it often back when she was around, but I don't think I even remembered it exists anymore, until you happened to mention it. It just lost relevance.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#128
post #38

I'm thrilled to watch reddit burn itself down, but of course the mods of big subs were one of the main reasons it was so terrible. If reddit could clone dang a few dozen times, then sure, kick the old mods out and maybe the site could get a handle on itself and be mildly worthwhile. But in reality, whatever jabronis they end up putting in place are not going to be any better than what they had before, and probably ev…

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#129
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was my thought as well. To answer your question, though, I imagine bad faith actors of various flavors will be flocking the site: 1. Corporate marketing departments 2. Unpopular political/religious factions seeking to surreptitiously "move the needle" 3. Those who wanted to become mods before but didn't make the cut for completely valid reasons. Now they have an opportunity, only the quality will decrease as a r…

> 2. Unpopular political/religious factions seeking to surreptitiously "move the needle" How would that be different from the status quo?

This was my thought exactly.

The front page politics of even my local subreddit are completely divorced from the concerns of my neighbors and other millenials I know.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

#130
post #72
post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd pro…

Huh, that explains why I haven’t looked at a Reddit AMA in the last ~5-10 years or so. I’m guess it was actually 8 years and I never realized what happened.
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