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Re: Palantir CEO Rejects Calls to Pause AI Development

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #113
lisasays wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the general case that I was (very obviously) referring to. Not outliers / clickbaiters like Yud.

Unfortunately the general case seems to be influenced quite strongly by Yud. It’s a trickle down effect. So, you’re right, and it’s a good point, as you say. But it was also correct for them to point to Yud specifically as one of the original sources of what some might call hysteria, and others might call reasonable concerns.

Exactly. The median person with AI concerns is nowhere near Yud, but I have seen him influence the discourse so much that to me, AI concerns = Yud.

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Post by webdoodle »

superkuh wrote: post #84
lolive wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is a solution provider for my company [Airbus]. We are reasonably satisfied with the product they provide us. Not being politically involved, and as a European not really aware of the action of Palantir in the US, could you elaborate on the « nastiness » of that Palantir?

The hacked HBGary emails show that Palantir was committing criminal acts in order to attack Wikileaks and associated. They're not law enforcement but they do things that only police/FBI normally could get away with (post-2018 law changes allowing the FBI to hack anyone). They're so entwined into the US security state they might as well be part of it, except they have no accountability and because they're not governme…

It was also a Palantir engineer that helped Cambridge Analytica with the data analysis of Kogan Facebook psychological profiles that they used to psyop Trump into the Whitehouse and Johnson into 10 Downing Street. Karp handily threw that employee under the bus, and 'absolved the company of guilt'.

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Post by jabradoodle »

George83728 wrote: post #97
dariosalvi78 wrote: post #71

The people scared of the AI doom are so funny to me because the idea is highly speculative, when there's climate change happening under our noses and nobody says we should stop anything...

Palantir's AI calculated this comment to be the ideal way to derail this conversation. 1. This article has nothing to do with climate change, so why is such a comment the top reply? 2. "nobody says we should stop anything [to address climate change]" is a flagrant lie. You guys are being baited.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

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Post by imiric »

bbor wrote: post #21
imiric wrote: post #18

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> Karp believes that the West currently holds key commercial and military advantages in AI and should not relinquish them. Delusional take, considering the East holds the AI advantage.

Very curious to hear your reasoning!

I'm mostly trolling to stir the pot and see HN's response, and you don't disappoint. :)

But since we're all speculating here, if I had to place my money on who will come out on top with AI, it would be the East. And by East, I specifically mean China.

While the West is scrambling to limit the pace of AI development, no such regulation exists in China. There have certainly been regulations to limit the power of Chinese companies in the past few years, but ultimately the shot caller is the CCP. An autocracy has more power and influence to direct its resources in a single direction much more efficiently than any democratic government.

Then there's the manufacturing side. The West does still control the most advanced chip fabrication technologies, but China is quickly ramping up development with results that rival those of TSMC/ASML[1]. If any country can be self-sufficient with chip fabrication, it's China. There's only so much harm US sanctions can do to a self-sufficient country.

[1]: https://thediplomat.com/2022/08/chinas-semiconductor-breakth...

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Post by nightfly »

yanderekko wrote: post #105
edgyquant wrote: post #100

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Not comparable at all. I’m not afraid of AI, thinks it’s a lot of marketting on OpenAIs part, but climate change is a trend not something you don’t see one day and then the next day everything’s different.

Yep, this is key. With climate change maybe we should be alarmed now, but few people argue that human extinction without our lifetimes is a possible outcome of inaction in the current argument. Unfortunately, with AI things are different. By the time humans notice a real problem, we may be months if not hours away from death.

How do you envision this AI caused extinction happening?

Re: Palantir CEO Rejects Calls to Pause AI Development

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Post by jabradoodle »

mattdeboard wrote: post #118
yanderekko wrote: post #112

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>The fact that Palantir is a criminal organization is plainly true and certainly substantive. Perhaps it's plainly true in some trivial sense (all large orgs have committed some crimes), but not in any legally-relevant sense. Otherwise people have to explain the obvious incongruity between this "plain truth" and the obvious fact that Palantir is not facing the sort of legal problems that would be expected of a "crimi…

Between this and your "well actually AI Armageddon is a more urgent danger than addressing climate crisis" comment I'm starting to think you're peter thiel's burner account

I could make similar comments about your account being more than 10 years old yet apparently you don't realise there is a preference for informed discussion on this site.

By all means criticise away, by constructing an argument and preferably providing sources.

Saying "X is bad" is cheap and does not further discussion or teach anyone. In fact, that kind of behaviour being normalised is the most susceptible to brigading and bot farms.

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Post by bradleyjg »

constantcrying wrote: post #81
lolive wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is a solution provider for my company [Airbus]. We are reasonably satisfied with the product they provide us. Not being politically involved, and as a European not really aware of the action of Palantir in the US, could you elaborate on the « nastiness » of that Palantir?

It should be considered part of the US military industrial complex and people largely object to it for the same reasons they would object to Raytheon or Lockheed Martin being involved with something. Palantir obviously operates on a different layer, but it still provides support for the military operations of the US. Of course that should not be controversial for Airbus, which themselves operate military industry and…

Lots of very fine reasoning when it comes to “provid[ing] support for the military operations of the US.”

Microsoft, Google, and Amazon all have substantial sales to the DoD. Part of the military industrial complex?

What about Uber, Hilton, AB InBev, and Coca-Cola? What about Harvard and Yale? What about White House staffers?

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Post by 2devnull »

yanderekko wrote: post #108
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two conflicting requirements- solve climate change without anybody losing any money. When climate change is strongly correlated with consumption that's difficult.

Also we have to solve climate change without using any fancy-shmancy geoengineering, because as sinners we're obligated to suffer rather than have convenient solutions for our problems.

Others downvoted you but I think you’re right to link Puritanism to a specific sliver of climate change activist community. There are some zealots who think we must end modernity as we know it, now!, or all is lost. These people existed before climate change, they just used other arguments to back their agenda. It was over population or before that a fear of factories, industry, progress in pretty much any form. The steam engine was a great fear to many. These are the “return to nature and live off the land” types and authoritarian personalities who are bothered by freedom. Ted Kaczynski was one of these. It’s hard to sort through such peoples thoughts to extract much that’s valuable. It’s like they don’t understand that history moves forward.

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Post by pokstad »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #88
pokstad wrote: post #72

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What do you think is going to happen with AI in war that is so deplorable? When I think of AI in warfare, I think about how to strategize against an enemy. Like how to deploy troops and resources in the most efficient way possible. Or how to relay communications between different parts of the military that don’t normally talk to each other.

Perhaps hunter drones that wait for their specific target, anticipate their moves/escape-routes and ultimately, utterly destroy them. Or perhaps AI can accurately determine the number of civilian casualties that can be had while staying below the threshold of public outrage. Just spit balling here.

I think the more horrific ideas of a ”hunter” isn’t really any more different than what a human soldier is capable of. What an automated solution can do better though is enforce rules of engagement and restrict war crimes. Computers do exactly what you tell them to, while humans always have discretion.

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Post by 2devnull »

jabradoodle wrote: post #120
yanderekko wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also we have to solve climate change without using any fancy-shmancy geoengineering, because as sinners we're obligated to suffer rather than have convenient solutions for our problems.

Or maybe the only kind of geo engineering that is feasible comes with unknowns that people are reasonably suspicous of; especially when it would likely be carried out by profit making entites. If you want to suck co2 out of the air, no one will have issue with it, you will just run out of money without making a dent.

And trying to go 100% carbon free (or die trying) in the next decade or two doesn’t carry risks? Decarbonizing won’t be carbon neutral that’s for sure.
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