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World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by alfor »

redprince wrote: post #113
alfor wrote: post #97

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It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

> Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. In Germany they didn't. The plan to exit from nuclear power was enacted by a conservative coalition of CDU/FDP in 2011. Funnily enough the year before they had dismantled the original exit plan from the year 2000 that was enacted by a coalition of SPD and the Green Party. But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" s…

For green energy look at Tony Seba, everyone underestimate the progression of renewable (expodential growth, expodential reduction in cost)

For the priority for the world look at Bjorn Lombergs work. He used to be about super green policies but the more he digged the more he found that things didn’t add up. His work calculate what we should do, how it will cost, what effect it will have and when.

The point is to be effective in our policies. If we tax carbon (seems like a good idea) what effect does it have on the poorest of the planet? If we spend 1T$ on climate change how do we spend it, what impact will it have, when?

My view (by looking at Tony Seba work) and seeing the developpement of tech (Internet, AI, new plants varieties, etc) is that it 10-20 years will be in a much different world, and at this point with the current trajectory climate change will not be a concern anymore and we will wonder why didn’t we took care of the lives that were both easy and cheap to save. If anything population aging and collapse will be a far greater problem.

But it’s mostly a question of priority and effectiveness, I still think we should care about co2. If fact if we do we should be in China and India right now tryin to help them have more cheap and clean ernergy, they are those who are going to move the needle going forward. But I don’t think this is what we want to do. We want to put our plastic things in the recycling, ban plastic straws and plastic bag and feel good about ourselves.

I don’t know much about Germany, mostly french movement that failed to stop the nuclear and Greepeace that succeded greatly in the US and globaly to paint a dirty picture around nuclear.

I think in a sense those things are similar. Do they want to stop harm: yes. Are they misguided and doing more harm that good: probably at this point.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by flangola7 »

willcipriano wrote: post #81
flangola7 wrote: post #58

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Yes but climate disaster isn't a cult. There's the crazy guy who thinks Zeus is going to strike us all down and then there's the oceanographer out there with actual thermometers and log books saying hey this water is getting really damn warm. Will be the end of life on earth? Not at all. Will it be the total extinction of humans? Probably not. Will it be far more war, starvation, death, and human suffering than we ha…

Saying humanity will be extinct in X years is completely unsupported by even the most dramatic predictions. If you believe it, you are on equal footing with the people waiting for the four horseman to show up. Teaching that to children will probably be seen as child abuse by the children who are being taught it today.

Did you even read my comment?

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Post by adrianN »

peteradio wrote: post #115
adrianN wrote: post #44

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When all that carbon was in the atmosphere, dinosaurs weren't even around yet.

That's not true is it? There was much more CO2 during dinosaur times than today. https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/09/20/you-asked-dinos...

A lot of the coal we burn today dates back from the carboniferous period, which predates dinosaurs by a lot.

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Post by ornornor »

29athrowaway wrote: post #75

Every society is 3 meals away from total chaos. What provides those meals is a system built on top of topsoil, fresh water, fish, oil, pollinators, and atmospheric conditions of humidity, temperature, precipitation, etc. And the absence of pollution. Topsoil is not dirt, it's an habitat for organisms that make soil fertile. It takes many years to regenerate 1 inch of topsoil. Agriculture consumes topsoil faster than…

> The strategic pieces in this conflict are already being placed on the board.

This is interesting to me, could you elaborate what the pieces are? I’m guessing natural resources like freshwater?

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Post by InTheirOwnWords »

wasmitnetzen wrote: post #108
alfor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

> Climate change is not a pressing issue Where are you getting that image from? We're on a path to 2.0 Kelvin warming which will make large parts of the earth uninhabitable and displace billions of people. How is that not a pressing issue?

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by InTheirOwnWords »

acdha wrote: post #119
hattmall wrote: post #100

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There is absolute nothing to suggest catastrophic or even rapid climate change. Yes we can detect human activity that is changing the planet and will have impacts on the climate. Preaching that it will result in any more suffering than the current or a previous state of the world is completely faith based without evidence.

Every credible scientist who studies this says the opposite, that climate change will increase the frequency and magnitude of events impacting millions of people. Yes, things like natural disasters, famines, or wars caused by resource competition aren’t new but we’ve been seeing them intensified for at least a decade and there’s no reason to believe that trend will reverse.

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Post by InTheirOwnWords »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #54
skrebbel wrote: post #41

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Pretty much yes

Vanuatu might disagree. In Vanuatu, sea level rise is a very real concept with a number of communities already being inundated during high tides (2016) ref: https://www.spatialsource.com.au/sea-level-rise-mapping-reac...

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Post by okeuro49 »

submeta wrote: post #102
okeuro49 wrote: post #96

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> Engaging in rational debates with these individuals proves challenging, as they often dismiss any evidence presented as a sign that you are 'woke', deluded, or part of a clandestine group intent on their destruction. I would debate you, by pointing out a lot of "green" policies disproportionately affect the working class, including AfD voters. > frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contr…

I appreciate your thoughts and it's clear that you're engaged in this critical issue. Let me take a moment to address your objections and share a different perspective on some of the points you've raised. 1. *Impact of Human Activities:* A preponderance of scientific evidence supports the conclusion that human activities are causing climate change. A meta-study by Cook et al. in 2013 revealed a 97% consensus among pu…

This is why I sometimes push back against posts that say people who vote Brexit or AfD are knuckle-dragging morons.

Because when you fail to hear what they are saying, issues get left unaddressed, and the ranks of the discontented continue to rise.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by acdha »

InTheirOwnWords wrote: post #126
acdha wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every credible scientist who studies this says the opposite, that climate change will increase the frequency and magnitude of events impacting millions of people. Yes, things like natural disasters, famines, or wars caused by resource competition aren’t new but we’ve been seeing them intensified for at least a decade and there’s no reason to believe that trend will reverse.

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That’s a very different claim then that climate change will not “result in any more suffering than the current or a previous state of the world”. As that editorial acknowledges, even the 2 degrees we’re tracked for will have plenty of catastrophic outcomes:

> We will have caused incalculable damage to ecosystems. We will have worsened droughts, floods, famines, heat waves. We will have bleached coral reefs, acidified the ocean, driven countless animal species to extinction. Millions, maybe tens of millions, of people will die from increased heat, and more will be killed by the indirect consequences of climate change. Far more yet will be forced to flee their homes or live lives of deep poverty or suffering.

It’s also worth remembering that the 4-5 degree predictions were the worst case forecasts assuming that we did nothing, and the more optimistic tone of that piece is recognizing the benefits of having made changes. While it’s true that we don’t want to give up hope it’s even more important that we don’t use the successes we have had to support the fossil fuel industry-funded siren calls for inaction. Our goals for the world we leave our children should be much higher than “humans are not reduced to roving post-apocalyptic bands of survivors”. A world where the population equivalents of large cities are dying from unprecedented weather events is still one where they’re going to wish we’d listened to climate scientists decades earlier.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by mikrotikker »

redprince wrote: post #113
alfor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

> Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. In Germany they didn't. The plan to exit from nuclear power was enacted by a conservative coalition of CDU/FDP in 2011. Funnily enough the year before they had dismantled the original exit plan from the year 2000 that was enacted by a coalition of SPD and the Green Party. But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" s…

> But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" suddenly became very, very unpopular in Germany.

Yea I don't get this, what are chances of a tsunami hitting the German nuclear power plants? Put them higher or build a sea wall around them if they are so worried. Today they restarted coal power plants! Moronic!

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