[flagged]
‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
121–130 of 133 posts
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is nonsense, and definitely not a thing in Portugal.
It's famous that the Portuguese and Spanish live with their parents until 30s (increasingly 40s) and usually close to their grand parents.
Because the housing market has been effectively closed to many young people for a couple decades now.
Was the 2008 crisis also caused by digital nomads?
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are problems with tensions between locals and digital nomads in several places, especially Portugal I have never heard of this before, and I have a few portuguese friends. Also, in the context of Lisbon, I doubt that 16,000 salaried workers [0] could influence the market to that extent in a city of 500,000 people, especially given that digital nomads make, on average, $120,000 [1]. It seems to me that digital…
> especially given that digital nomads make, on average, $120,000 Minimum wage in Portugal is about €760/month, or $10,000/year. You're seriously underestimating how much $120k is.
I think you are overestimating the impact of 16,000 people in a city like Lisbon.
The median salary of a digital nomad is sure lower than $120,000. I don’t have numbers, but I would say it should be closer to $60,000. Average salary in Lisbon is also roughly $48,000.
If locals want to blame someone, perhaps investment banks eating up the available housing stock would be a better target.
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#124This looks like non news to me. People don't "hate" digital nomads (and the article itself does not even back up this claim from the headline). In fact, most people do not even notice them most of the time, as they don't make up for a significant percentage of the population anywhere. There will be always small and very vocal groups, complaining about effectively irrelevant things like this. That is not newsworthy. >…
I've been doing some budget digital nomad for several years and the most boring part of it is having to re-explain what I do for a living every time I meet someone - oh why does every conversation start like this? I don't think I've even met a single soul who knew what programmers do or what "digital nomad" is when traveling within the USA over the past 2/3 years. Granted, this is mostly rural camping and small-city…
Might be my wrong sampling methods but I thought introducing yourself with the job description was more of an American thing? My impression meeting people around here (Europe) is more like "where are you from? aaaa cheese right?" and it goes on from there.
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#125>>Americans make up more than half of this drifting population ... the second biggest cohort come from the UK
>>Americans Mindi and Daryl Hirsch...the pair eventually put down roots in Lisbon
UK and UK, two of the strongest passports in the world. It becomes really easy to be a digital nomad when you can simply board a plane and land in most of the world and walk in because you have a powerful passport. Must be so good to not have to prepare for a visa 3 months in advance and submit a whole bunch of documents to have the privilege of visiting most countries.
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reading some of the comments here, I think too many people (notably quite a few Americans) don't quite understand how severe cultural and philosophical differences between countries and cultures can be. It can very even between two people of the same race but different countries (say British Indian and Indian American). People in a certain country can have completely different ideas about what racism offends them com…
>People in a certain country can have completely different ideas about what racism offends them compared to the same racial minority in another country. So can different people in same country...
True. But you can also generalise that people in a certain country react differently to people in another country for the purpose of identity politics. A politician calling a person or party "racist" only makes sense if a meaningful number of people of that ethnicity believe it to be racist.
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
i spent a month in bali after covid, and the ones i talked to were happy to have tourists back. i heard miserable stories from selling everything, going back to farming to survive, personal businesses gone, pets dying because they couldn't take care of them. You cant make generalizations about what people want and don't want. its more complex then that.
I was in Bali during COVID, got there a Oct 2019 and stayed for two years in total. The reasons for this are very much economical: COVID was pretty brutal for a lot of people who make their living off tourism, as you mentioned. For many locals it's very much a love-hate relationship. They love the money it brings in and hate pretty much everything else. As soon as you complain about anything – no matter how justified…
yeah there's a lot to it. Thats why i think people who try to summarize "what the locals think" into a nice one liner should just not comment. it misses to much
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#128Unlike others, i’m going to say I get it. I had a stranger recently come up to me and ask to come to an event I was inviting others to. No problem! Come along But the thing is the dude was very shy and awkward. Which isn’t a problem, but definitely cast a bit of a cloud over our social event All of a sudden I was managing him, taking time and focus out of my night to make him feel welcome. I’m sure he didn’t intend i…
what kind of event was that? tech or something else? Which is all well and good - it’s let of meeting people… but this guy was just blowing through town. All the investment for what? So he could be 1,000 miles away next week? (he said he would be) that made me think of this song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heute_hier,_morgen_dort be a badass people want to be around i am probably just like most average introverts,…
It was just a casual bbq with very relaxed friends.
Being social and fitting in is a skill like any other. So many people in tech believe they don’t need to work this particular muscle and it shows
Can you talk about things with a stranger at length that aren’t in your core interests?
Can you make people interested in what you’re talking about even if they’re not exactly your kind of people?
Do you have confidence when you speak, at least enough to get your words across? Do you enjoy being around others in a purely social situation?
All these kinds of things are important. And personally I think they should be developed before one injects themselves into foreign places. For safety as much as the respect of those you travel to
Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that most people can't give it a dry run without that liquidation, though. Having a normal job gets in the way of that lifestyle and is virtually guaranteed to sour the experience. Obvious not all of them like it, but I think even fewer would like it if they don't commit to it outright. It's definitely not for me. I need a lot more stability than that.
> I think that most people can't give it a dry run without that liquidation, though. Having a normal job gets in the way of that lifestyle and is virtually guaranteed to sour the experience. I was thinking you'd probably take your standard 3-5 weeks of yearly PTO, plus however much unpaid time off you could get your company to agree to. That would make for a good month, month-and-a-half, or possibly two months test.…
I don't know about other places, but I can't take even 2 weeks off at a time without getting special approval. There's no way I could take my entire year's PTO at once. And they won't allow any unpaid time.