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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by kalam_throw »

lagolinguini wrote: post #19
isanjay wrote: post #14

BJP is proper Authoritarian. This is coming from a right leaning person.

The sad thing is they will probably win again in 2024. The damage that 15 years of BJP has done to the social fabric of India, and the undermining of the core founding principles of the republic will last for generations. It's hard to imagine it going away :(

Most Indians were never secular. Before, they hadn’t got a voice or representation. BJP came into power by tapping into the latent sentiment in majority of Indians.

It's much like how Trump was elected.

If you think that majority of Indians were ever secular, I think that you never left the bubble of upper middle class, city based society.

Hindus are, generally much more advanced than Muslim in terms of education, finances, etc. and couldn’t be bothered to cause communal violence because they have much more to lose. And the ones that are left behind, didn't have a uniting force. BJP/RSS has accomplished that.

The people lynching Muslim for eating beef are very rural, very uneducated Hindus with much less to lose. And the rest of them openly support them.

I will say, 80-95% of Hindus were never ever secular. BJP is creating new zealots now, but they didn't need to do so to come to power.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by flangola7 »

ta1243 wrote: post #87
capableweb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is that an all female police squad? Not to assume anyone's gender here, but does it look like a all female police squad? https://i.imgur.com/OSnyrFH.jpg

Unless some AI has doctored the images

shit on a stick we really can't trust anything

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by tdehnel »

matsemann wrote: post #15
capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

I think that's their point. It's a way of subtly pointing out that verification on Twitter is now useless, and shouldn't be trusted any more than claims from any other user. Even less, I guess, since it's not a equal distribution of people paying for verification, they all skew pretty hard to one side.

Would be great if they just came out and said it, instead of this passive aggressive nonsense.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by flagrant_taco »

tdehnel wrote: post #88
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

There is nothing in principle which prevents us from solving this problem. We cannot predict which new knowledge will solve it. But we can say that if we don’t solve it, it will be our fault for not producing the required knowledge fast enough.

Alternatively, it could be our fault for creating a world in which that fast growth in knowledge is required. We didn't have to pursue technologies that make the centralization of power and control easier and easier.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by tdehnel »

pjc50 wrote: post #41
capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

"Verified" is now an anti-signal. It's more likely than not to indicate that the poster is a crank who's paying money to have their opinions disseminated.

It was an anti-signal before.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pmontra »

deno wrote: post #104
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

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I take an authentic image with a camera, crop out the part of it that it's not aligned with my goals, put a reference to the authentic image. How do you get the authentic image to compare it with my edit?

And how do you solve the problem of a powerful entity telling you that the cropped image is authentic, or there will be consequences? People know what's going on, they bend for fear of breaking. No technology is changing that.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by deno »

pjc50 wrote: post #111
deno wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Technical solution to a social problem. It's not that it's impossible to tell the difference between real and fake, it's that there's no consequences for posting fakes. (A "solution" which requires end users to authenticate everything themselves is going to have the same level of adoption as pgp, i.e. near zero)

I like a green checkmark next to a photo better than giving more power to whoever you think should be the one determining and enforcing those consequences.

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Post by throwaway2305ax »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #70
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #37

What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

BJP in India does not fight elections based on any development agendas like education/healthcare or social security. They pretends to the majority Hindu public that "Hindus are in danger from Muslims" and only BJP can protect them. They also project themselves as true nationalists and anyone having anti-government views is declared a "Pakistani" or anti-national. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/7/spike-in-anti-…

Ok, this is not entirely true.

- India is the fastest growing large economy in the world

- inflation is under control

- The infrastructure spend is the largest ever. There's construction everywhere.

- life expectancy is significantly up

Of course there are issues, but it's a mixed bag. Not all religion.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by kalam_throw »

throwaway2305ax wrote: post #82

The news is accurate, but not particularly newsworthy. This was posted by an unofficial, loosely defined group of accounts called the "IT cell" - not very different from MAGA folks or far-left account clusters. The linked news source (alt news) is an opposition news source/blog.

Alt news also reported on the propaganda and falsehoods of Congress and AAP.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by flagrant_taco »

deno wrote: post #104
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

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Playing whack-a-mole with technologies that have fundamental risks baked into the system itself seems like a losing game. We're inventing new technologies simply because we can, ignoring and papering over the social impact, then chasing even more complex solutions to the new problems created.
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