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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by drc500free »

georgeburdell wrote: post #102
bradknowles wrote: post #89

The more drivers you get in a particular model, the more clueless drivers you'll see in that model. It's a form of survivor bias.

No, white Tesla Model Y/3 (the paint color that doesn’t cost extra) seem to occupy the same jerk driver niche that the BMW 3-series used to own. Lots of young, single men stretching their wallets for one.

Totally agreed, in the last 5 years or so it feels like mediocre drivers have switched from white entry-level BMW drivers to white Teslas. It's definitely hit the mass market of somewhat-well-off people rather than just tech bros who like the technology.

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Post by borissk »

justrealist wrote: post #108
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #91

For people buying new cars, yeah I guess I understand that being true. America prefers SUVs, but it's an interesting statistic. The Corolla is purchased by those who want an affordable sedan, as well as the affluent who don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla and are putting their money in other things like their home and marketable securities. The Ford F-150 is a vehicle used widely by commerc…

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for planned maintenance every year or whatever miles the manual states.

Tesla are an amazing company, that made EVs mainstream, but I'm never going to buy one. They don't know what the word "privacy" means.

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Post by doktorhladnjak »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

The car is a giant smartphone with a distracted driver

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Post by rcpt »

dazc wrote: post #116
jackmott42 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a cyclist, I haven't noticed anything like that. I suspect some internal bias towards EVs or against Elon or something is making you notice a pattern that isn't there.

It may be just a UK thing but I find Tesla drivers the least aggressive of all expensive car drivers. If I see a Range Rover, Mercedes, Audi, BMW or any large pick-up in my rear view mirror I expect to be aggressively tailgated and I'm generally correct. This has not happened to me with a Tesla, that I can recall.

Yeah. I assume teslas are using the lane following thing most of the time.

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Post by jdminhbg »

anonporridge wrote: post #104
artursapek wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it’s because Tesla drivers know the AI will save them from making any mistakes /s

I have heard second hand accounts from friends who have been hit by Teslas whose drivers tried to claim innocence because they were convinced their car would definitely have told them if they hit something and it didn't.

I have also heard urban legends.

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Post by Pxtl »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Imho it's just culturally taken the place of the Beamer for the same kind of drivers.

You know, the old "despite its good brakes, the BMW will usually stop with a jerk".

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Post by jimjimjim »

skellington wrote: post #109
jackmott42 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a cyclist, I haven't noticed anything like that. I suspect some internal bias towards EVs or against Elon or something is making you notice a pattern that isn't there.

Tesla drivers statistically have significantly less accidents than other vehicles. So, by the data, they can't be worse than other drivers.

yeah of course. because as we all know, accidents are the only indicator of bad driving

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Post by shusaku »

umeshunni wrote: post #107
ChatGTP wrote: post #101

Imagine if Toyota would've just made a simple, but nicely build electric car 3-5 years ago. Pretty foolish mistake.

They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

How much does this really matter? I feel like Tesla is strong in the market because they figured out how to market an EV as a sports car. Toyota was never going to do that.

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Post by borissk »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #110
umeshunni wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

the Prius prime is a legitimately pretty great hybrid, but it took them a shocking long time to get there.

A hybrid car is a very complicated machine - more so than an EV, a turbo petrol or a diesel.
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