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What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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post #47

I love finding useful strategies and tactics from nature, and applying them in my life and work. Another example: Redundancy. We have two lungs, two nostrils, etc. Anything that I'm stressed about breaking or not having enough of, if it's practical to get a second one, I do, that way the stress is gone. Not always practical, but great when it is. A helpful way to remember it: 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.

That's why all my neighbors have 3 cars!

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

#122
post #54

Very interesting analogy. I'm a beekeeper and this is the first time I'm hearing about rogue bees. Can you please point me to a source so that I can learn about this bee behavior (or "beehavior" in short)?

The main sources for this are inspirational/motivational texts. You might be out of luck trying to find actual scientific evidence.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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I think there's a trap people fall into where they want to talk about stochastic processes that are facilitated by group dynamics using individualist language: > Knowing this, it might be worth ignoring the waggle dance of those around you every so often. Some bees being predisposed through biology or chemical messaging to ignore information is fundamentally different from an individual deciding to ignore messaging.…

> Some bees being predisposed through biology or chemical messaging to ignore information is fundamentally different from an individual deciding to ignore messaging.

Bees probably feel they are deciding too :)

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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post #49

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This is so cool. We have a lot of ants in our place at the moment and they're fascinating to watch. They do seem to solve problems and even show empathy towards each other. Sadly one was badly injured the other day and two other ants tried to come to the rescue, it was beautiful and sad to watch.

I have a cherry tree. Grown from a sapling. A few years ago I noticed the leaves turning in. Aphids. I then discovered that Ants farm those aphids. They place a guard ant to stop predators (lady bugs) and let this black little fellas grow and grow. Then the other ants feed off their sugary goodness. Incredible. Where does that direction come from? Collective consciousness with inherent intelligence?

It is interesting, an ants brain must be the size of a pin head and runs on how much energy ? Yet some how they solve problems like that and can co-ordinate in large numbers.

I despise using poisons of any kind against insects and animals for this reason.

Even watching butterflies dance together while flying around is quite fascinating. I guess they must have some kind of self-awareness too?

I have a bird near my place who stops nuts from a large height to crack then open. I only can imagine what that bird might do if it had hands ha

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Social behaviour doesn’t imply intelligence, or at least conscious intelligence. Most ants will never reproduce. Their life has no meaning beyond the wellbeing of the colony. It make sense that what is statistically optimal for the ant is social behaviour.

Meaning? What meaning does our lives have beyond our colony (which is at risk)?

It's always been at risk and always will be. Maybe you learned about previous mass extinctions and that a big eruption is all you need to wipe us out. Earth will still be here though. I throughly agree with you regarding the lack of meaning, but I disagree there's meaning in the colony. There's no meaning, there's just nature.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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I have a cherry tree. Grown from a sapling. A few years ago I noticed the leaves turning in. Aphids. I then discovered that Ants farm those aphids. They place a guard ant to stop predators (lady bugs) and let this black little fellas grow and grow. Then the other ants feed off their sugary goodness. Incredible. Where does that direction come from? Collective consciousness with inherent intelligence?

It is interesting, an ants brain must be the size of a pin head and runs on how much energy ? Yet some how they solve problems like that and can co-ordinate in large numbers. I despise using poisons of any kind against insects and animals for this reason. Even watching butterflies dance together while flying around is quite fascinating. I guess they must have some kind of self-awareness too? I have a bird near my pla…

Being lucky enough to have a garden and partaking in ‘experiments’ of growing things really has opened my eyes to the magic of nature. I was always an outdoors person but was a consumer of sorts. Digging in some beds and doing my own compost I have really started to think about soil, the role of worms and the lower level, taken for granted, entities. Life has a frequency and observing it in play is incredible.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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post #125

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Meaning? What meaning does our lives have beyond our colony (which is at risk)?

It's always been at risk and always will be. Maybe you learned about previous mass extinctions and that a big eruption is all you need to wipe us out. Earth will still be here though. I throughly agree with you regarding the lack of meaning, but I disagree there's meaning in the colony. There's no meaning, there's just nature.

What about our nature? I don’t believe there isn’t meaning, only what we as humans apply. If an ant applies meaning, it still counts. Just might be less than we can perceive.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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some ants love to work, it brings them meaning. some ants love to mountain bike, and who can blame them?

sounds like we need a universal basic antcome.

Let's put an ant to those silly jokes.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

#130
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always been at risk and always will be. Maybe you learned about previous mass extinctions and that a big eruption is all you need to wipe us out. Earth will still be here though. I throughly agree with you regarding the lack of meaning, but I disagree there's meaning in the colony. There's no meaning, there's just nature.

What about our nature? I don’t believe there isn’t meaning, only what we as humans apply. If an ant applies meaning, it still counts. Just might be less than we can perceive.

There are indeed only two categories: either we say there's no meaning at all (and at the scale of the universe it definitely looks so) then there's no difference between a human and an ant, we're all nothings. Or, we say there is a meaning in humans, then we must give meaning also to smaller critters like you suggested, just don't look at the scale of the universe :) Or of course, we accept meaning as a very local thing then everybody can redefine their own, even the ants which would surely say "what a meaningless thing is that hooman colony New York".
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