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Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by lucubratory »

mike741 wrote: post #110
lucubratory wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "traditional static program" can successfully pass novel theory of mind tests as part of a broad suite of intelligent capabilities that it can apply in context when appropriate? I am interested in hearing about this program.

A program hardcoded to respond to a scenario and question with the exact output desired by the ToM task. For example: [INPUT] Scenario: "The morning of the high school dance Sarah placed her high heel shoes under her dress and then went shopping. That afternoon, her sister borrowed the shoes and later put them under Sarah's bed." Question: When Sarah gets ready, does she assume her shoes are under her dress? [OUTPUT]…

I said "novel theory of mind tests as part of a broad suite of intelligent capabilities that it can apply in context when appropriate". What you're suggesting fails the first word, before we get to the rest.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

mike741 wrote: post #119
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious what your definition of intelligence was such that you thought GPT-4 doesn't exhibit it. It's your opinion - doesn't have to agree with mine. You seem to place an importance on whether the models are entirely predictable or not, which is why I pointed out that the output is randomly sampled.

It's not random, its pseudo-random. Those are not the same thing.

You could choose to use a truly random hardware random number generator, and it would make zero difference to the system, empirically or philosophically.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by fsflover »

dS0rrow wrote: post #103
epylar wrote: post #98

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Emergent abilities can be gradual and continuous.

If it's continious then nothing is emerging and it can be explained by the sum of it's sub-systems.

Is life itself not an emergent phenomenon? What is the cleat threshold? Viruses?

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by mike741 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #122
mike741 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not random, its pseudo-random. Those are not the same thing.

You could choose to use a truly random hardware random number generator, and it would make zero difference to the system, empirically or philosophically.

I don't believe there is such a digital generator but if there were it would make the massive difference of being unpredictable (because there would be irrational numbers impossible to fully simulate ahead of time) from the perspective of all of its creators, which would then beg the question of who made its decisions, which would spark debate about its autonomy, which would then qualify it as intelligent as per the definition you requested earlier.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by mike741 »

lucubratory wrote: post #121
mike741 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A program hardcoded to respond to a scenario and question with the exact output desired by the ToM task. For example: [INPUT] Scenario: "The morning of the high school dance Sarah placed her high heel shoes under her dress and then went shopping. That afternoon, her sister borrowed the shoes and later put them under Sarah's bed." Question: When Sarah gets ready, does she assume her shoes are under her dress? [OUTPUT]…

I said "novel theory of mind tests as part of a broad suite of intelligent capabilities that it can apply in context when appropriate". What you're suggesting fails the first word, before we get to the rest.

If we're including tests that don't exist yet, then sure those are going to be difficult to pass. As far as actual ToM tests go though, such as the one being discussed in this thread, they can be easily passed by trivial hardcoding and say nothing of the program's internal reasoning.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

mike741 wrote: post #124
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could choose to use a truly random hardware random number generator, and it would make zero difference to the system, empirically or philosophically.

I don't believe there is such a digital generator but if there were it would make the massive difference of being unpredictable (because there would be irrational numbers impossible to fully simulate ahead of time) from the perspective of all of its creators, which would then beg the question of who made its decisions, which would spark debate about its autonomy, which would then qualify it as intelligent as per the…

This is literally the first result if you google for "hardware random number generator".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generat...

Autonomous doesn't mean what you think it does. You can google for that too.

You may have a point though ... your responses do seem truly random, and that is certainly making me question your intelligence.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by mike741 »

mike741 wrote: post #124
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could choose to use a truly random hardware random number generator, and it would make zero difference to the system, empirically or philosophically.

I don't believe there is such a digital generator but if there were it would make the massive difference of being unpredictable (because there would be irrational numbers impossible to fully simulate ahead of time) from the perspective of all of its creators, which would then beg the question of who made its decisions, which would spark debate about its autonomy, which would then qualify it as intelligent as per the…

And if you google "unicorn" you will get this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

Sadly, having a wikipedia article does not mean something actually exists.

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

mike741 wrote: post #127
mike741 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe there is such a digital generator but if there were it would make the massive difference of being unpredictable (because there would be irrational numbers impossible to fully simulate ahead of time) from the perspective of all of its creators, which would then beg the question of who made its decisions, which would spark debate about its autonomy, which would then qualify it as intelligent as per the…

And if you google "unicorn" you will get this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn Sadly, having a wikipedia article does not mean something actually exists.

"The unicorn is a legendary creature" ... wow, you're right. that was disappointing.

https://www.amazon.com/TrueRNG-V3-Hardware-Random-Generator/... https://tectrolabs.com/ https://comscire.com/ https://onerng.info/ https://www.idquantique.com/random-number-generation/product...

Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by [deleted] »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #126
mike741 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe there is such a digital generator but if there were it would make the massive difference of being unpredictable (because there would be irrational numbers impossible to fully simulate ahead of time) from the perspective of all of its creators, which would then beg the question of who made its decisions, which would spark debate about its autonomy, which would then qualify it as intelligent as per the…

This is literally the first result if you google for "hardware random number generator". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generat... Autonomous doesn't mean what you think it does. You can google for that too. You may have a point though ... your responses do seem truly random, and that is certainly making me question your intelligence.

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Re: How AI knows things no one told it

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Post by mike741 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #128
mike741 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you google "unicorn" you will get this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn Sadly, having a wikipedia article does not mean something actually exists.

"The unicorn is a legendary creature" ... wow, you're right. that was disappointing. https://www.amazon.com/TrueRNG-V3-Hardware-Random-Generator/... https://tectrolabs.com/ https://comscire.com/ https://onerng.info/ https://www.idquantique.com/random-number-generation/product...

you are falling for the most basic marketing tricks in the book. just because something calls itself "trueRNG" does not mean it is. there's no possibility of those devices outputting an irrational number.
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