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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dopamean »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I've only been using Macs for a while now and was a thinkpad guy long ago so pardon my ignorance here but a touchscreen really considered common feature of a laptop now? Last I tried it I found the experience to be really awkward and not better than using a trackpad or mouse.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by komali2 »

nrp wrote: post #113
tuukkah wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see. So before today, you could preorder Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 without knowing which CPU model you'll get, but today you can preorder with Ryzen 5 7640U or Ryzen 7 7840U specifically.

Correct. AMD officially announced the processors today, which means we get to announce them too. Before this, people were basically operating on trust that the Framework+Ryzen combo was going to spec out positively.

Not that much trust, I pre ordered but all it required was a 100$ refundable deposit. More than worth it imo.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by squokko »

hall0ween wrote: post #115
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm on the flip side of this preference. If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

Why? You can always turn off the touchscreen. I have on my laptop.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by culturestate »

hall0ween wrote: post #115
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm on the flip side of this preference. If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

> If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

Is there some specific quality-related reason for this? I’m not a fan of touchscreens on laptops but absent some glaring technical issue I can’t imagine that being a blocker for my purchases.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by squokko »

_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

If you need 128GB of RAM then a 13 inch laptop is not what you need.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by komali2 »

rektide wrote: post #93
maztaim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready. "What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible ut…

What alternative laptop do you have in mind for running a 4 screen display, that's also hackable?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rektide »

ior4uiofrjnev wrote: post #107
rektide wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready. "What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible ut…

A "hacker" is someone who makes something do what it wasn't intended to do. Plugging a high-end laptop into the correct number of monitors is not hacking. Maybe stick to Intel chipsets if you must have 4 screens. Or maybe cover over the 4th port, and pretend you have 3 fully-functional ports?

That's a pretty good definition. It think there's more an element of being able to pull off the not forseen. A good code hacker isn't exactly defying computer architecture to extract their wins; they're finding brilliant solutions & cobbling together interesting systems that happen to meet the needs.

I think AMD needs the pressure. 4x Thunderbolt 4 is amazing. AMD offering 2x USB 4 is such a massive downgrade. Just a shake of the head & saying "go buy Intel" as if this is some natural expected unnoteworthy situation doesn't cut it for me.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by hnusersarelame »

rektide wrote: post #93
maztaim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready. "What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible ut…

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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by nrp »

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

S3 sleep isn't really supported anymore by either Intel or AMD. Both have been improving S0ix with each kernel release though. We've also made optimizations on our side around retimer/port behavior that substantially improve battery life in sleep. We'll be sharing more detail around that in the next couple of weeks.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dsr_ »

dopamean wrote: post #121
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I've only been using Macs for a while now and was a thinkpad guy long ago so pardon my ignorance here but a touchscreen really considered common feature of a laptop now? Last I tried it I found the experience to be really awkward and not better than using a trackpad or mouse.

I only want a touchscreen if the machine is lightweight and the hinges go all the way around, to put it in tablet mode.

A nice 12-14" tablet is great for reading long documents, or for writing them with an external keyboard.

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