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Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

It's because western culture jumped the shark long ago. Half of every longevity tips is basically "no modern life". Eat fresh, few, move a lot, sleep a lot, talk a lot.

Few what?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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My cancer centre only delivers chemo while ina comfy recliner. They encourage gentle exercise each day. For me this is walking with my dog and wife, and maybe a little safe DIY. I have low platelets and WCC at the moment so can't afford to do anything to rigourous.

Lance Armstrong still did hard training rides between chemotherapy sessions. While his reputation is tarnished by doping and legal disputes, if you look at his case purely from a medical standpoint it indicates that more rigorous exercise could benefit some cancer patients depending on their overall state. (I am just making a general comment, not about your particular case.) https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/19…

To be fair Lance largely benefited from cisplatin chemistry in his chemo mix —- which is highly effective in treating germ cell tumors. This effectiveness is limited to only certain cancers such as TC.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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It would be nice if we could find what triggers the body's improved condition when doing exercise, and trigger it maximally without having to do hours of repetitive nonsense. It's fine if you like to do it, but a lot of us obviously don't. I wonder how the progress is going in this sphere.

You're not going to find a magic pill that allows you to get away with being lazy. Whether you like to exercise or not is irrelevant. Embrace the suck.

That's the way to make sure you're unhappy. Exercise, and life, should never be about "embracing the suck". Finding ways to exercise that you enjoy and that can fit in your schedule makes it a default state rather than something you avoid.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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It would be nice if we could find what triggers the body's improved condition when doing exercise, and trigger it maximally without having to do hours of repetitive nonsense. It's fine if you like to do it, but a lot of us obviously don't. I wonder how the progress is going in this sphere.

I agree, additionally from the POV that sensory attention is de facto focus-stealing wrt other functionalities. General or anecdotal benefits aside, it typically taxes other systems of attention very heavily. It's also shortsighted to nail ourselves to the cross of "yep, always gonna be exercise, that's just what it takes" when that potentially isn't necessary, and even worse, may prevent huge steps forward in use of…

What are the "many" cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe? Unless you're an ICU patient on life support or something you can always exercise more. You would have to get pretty far out on the exercise curve, like consistently over 30 hours per week, before safety starts to become a concern.

And as for focus stealing it taxing other systems of attention, that's just bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. A rigorous exercise program actually enhances your ability to focus.

Dr. Mark Tarnopolsky is a competitive athlete who exercises a lot and also sells his own line of nutritional supplements. I think he would be the first to tell you that it's always going to be exercise, that's just what it takes. Drugs and nutritional supplements can help a little, especially for people with some underlying pathology, but they will never substitute for frequent hard exercise.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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You're not going to find a magic pill that allows you to get away with being lazy. Whether you like to exercise or not is irrelevant. Embrace the suck.

That's the way to make sure you're unhappy. Exercise, and life, should never be about "embracing the suck". Finding ways to exercise that you enjoy and that can fit in your schedule makes it a default state rather than something you avoid.

No, you're just completely wrong. That doesn't make people unhappy. Where did you come up with such a ridiculous notion? Do you lack experience in the real world? Have you never played competitive sports?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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You're not going to find a magic pill that allows you to get away with being lazy. Whether you like to exercise or not is irrelevant. Embrace the suck.

There isn't one now, fine. But why shouldn't we be trying to invent one?

You're welcome to try. If you succeed even partially then you'll be a billionaire. But these are complex biological systems and it's a tremendously difficult problem. I guarantee you that within our lifetimes we won't see a safe and effective drug that produces health benefits equivalent to frequent hard exercise. Many of those benefits come from the physical motion which helps to keep blood and lymph circulating normally so I can't see any way to put that in a pill.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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I agree, additionally from the POV that sensory attention is de facto focus-stealing wrt other functionalities. General or anecdotal benefits aside, it typically taxes other systems of attention very heavily. It's also shortsighted to nail ourselves to the cross of "yep, always gonna be exercise, that's just what it takes" when that potentially isn't necessary, and even worse, may prevent huge steps forward in use of…

What are the "many" cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe? Unless you're an ICU patient on life support or something you can always exercise more. You would have to get pretty far out on the exercise curve, like consistently over 30 hours per week, before safety starts to become a concern. And as for focus stealing it taxing other systems of attention, that's just bullshit. You don't know what you're talkin…

Sorry, it doesn't sound like you have much experience with the topic of needing to not exercise. Can't be much simpler put than that.

It's unfortunate that you've conflated this with what seems to be a passionate relationship with pro-exercise philosophies. Which is really out of scope.

The list of reasons why exercise may not be feasible is a really, really long one. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean _anybody_ owes you an answer, particularly not when you throw around those accusatory beauty words like "bullshit". Seriously, that's the best you can do here? You are out of your depth and just raging about it, is how that looks.

Focus stealing means you must _always_ focus on the exercise to some degree, so something else loses that focus. Extended focus away from a process that requires energy is de facto energy loss. So, some processes will lose energy when exercise is performed. Simple logic.

Safety as a concern is _never_ bound solely to hours spent exercising--this should be obvious on its face.

Nobody's threatening to take your passion away, you can still feel free to rage against the perceived lazy people, etc. But come on. You owe the whole world better here in lowering the discourse to this my-horse-sense-must-apply level.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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What are the "many" cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe? Unless you're an ICU patient on life support or something you can always exercise more. You would have to get pretty far out on the exercise curve, like consistently over 30 hours per week, before safety starts to become a concern. And as for focus stealing it taxing other systems of attention, that's just bullshit. You don't know what you're talkin…

Sorry, it doesn't sound like you have much experience with the topic of needing to not exercise. Can't be much simpler put than that. It's unfortunate that you've conflated this with what seems to be a passionate relationship with pro-exercise philosophies. Which is really out of scope. The list of reasons why exercise may not be feasible is a really, really long one. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean _…

So you are basically just making up nonsense to justify your own laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to lie to yourself to feel better about your own failings then go ahead, but if you post misinformation on here then expect to get called out.

Passion and philosophy is irrelevant. Lack of exercise is a proven killer, worse than smoking. It also delivers cognitive benefits beyond just the physical stuff. That is medical fact.

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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post #128

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Sorry, it doesn't sound like you have much experience with the topic of needing to not exercise. Can't be much simpler put than that. It's unfortunate that you've conflated this with what seems to be a passionate relationship with pro-exercise philosophies. Which is really out of scope. The list of reasons why exercise may not be feasible is a really, really long one. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean _…

So you are basically just making up nonsense to justify your own laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to lie to yourself to feel better about your own failings then go ahead, but if you post misinformation on here then expect to get called out. Passion and philosophy is irrelevant. Lack of exercise is a proven killer, worse than smoking. It also delivers cognitive benefits beyond just the physical stuff. That…

You didn't read a word, really? This has nothing to do with lack of exercise being a problem.

Your crusade to inform me about exercise is wasted; my own before & after pics from extreme weight loss and advanced fitness are easily found online, lmao.

It's pretty clear so far that I could lecture you on aspects of exercise that are well beyond your experience level.

Exercise _can be a problem that people need to cope with_, can you admit that?

If not, then you are too obsessive and not experienced enough for the topic.

BTW I noticed every last detail that you sidestepped, too. So, naturally this makes you a BS artist who is getting called out as well, by your logic.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

You can’t outrun a bad diet. It takes a lot of exercise to burn off excess calories, and virtually no effort to simply not consume them. I understand that health is more than just calories, and you can come to the same conclusion about other bad things like trans fats, alcohol, etc. If someone had to choose only one thing to do for health, a healthy diet is far more important than exercise.

> You can’t outrun a bad diet.

It gets even worse, when the obese try to outrun a bad diet they not only fail but they often injure themselves in the process.

It always pains me to see obese people out on the trails beating themselves up in an obviously misguided but respectable effort to lose weight.

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