Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

fakespot.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 384 posts

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#121

Post by otabdeveloper4 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #94
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

>This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. >The browser wars are basically over and why is that? Oh because Mozilla hasn't put any energy into getting better or pulling back market share from the moment it started to bleed out to Chrome. Let's not just sit back and go "Oh well, they lost nothing they could do" shrug . They built their tech in such an obtuse and opinionated way it's impossible to integrate…

Mozilla is funded by Google. (i.e. Chrome.)

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#122

Post by nine_k »

smsm42 wrote: post #56
jdwithit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect Mozilla is large enough that they can do more than one thing at once. Some finance and legal people spending time on an acquisition is not the reason they haven't integrated gnome-keyring.

> I suspect Mozilla is large enough that they can do more than one thing at once Maybe that's the problem. Why Mozilla should be large enough to do those things? I'd rather have one good browser than 20 mediocre side projects.

If Firefox and Thunderbird development were financed from money collected from the VPN profits and / or donations, I'd happily pay. But I'd like it to be directed exactly there, or into other clearly stated initiatives I can understand and approve of, like Rust back in the day.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#123

Post by wodenokoto »

bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

Surely that is desktop browser stats. Safari must be doing better when accounting for iPads and iPhones.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#124

Post by paulddraper »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #80
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

Its amazing how consistently poor safari adoption has been.

When you're the only browser that can't run on the world's most popular desktop OS or mobile OS...

You're just not going to compete well for market share.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#125

Post by eimrine »

JohnBooty wrote: post #106
jeroenhd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is behind on general web support compared to any other browser. That's not just weird APIs like WebUSB and WebSerial and WebGPU, but also CSS things. It's almost as bad as Safari, except it's broken in very different areas. There's plenty to improve. On Android there's the whole extension mess (and tons of other quality of life improvements), on desktop Firefox could use some proper PWA support (even Safari h…

"Firefox is slower than all the other browsers" Wow, absolutely not my experience. I use both Chrome and FF regularly on Mac and PC desktops and laptops with vintages ranging from 2011-2023. There is no perceptible difference to me. Admittedly all of my machines are relatively comfortably specced. Desktop-class CPUs, 16GB+ of RAM, SSDs. Perhaps the difference is more pronounced when the computing environment is more…

Don't you have an experience that Chrome works better on old-end hardware? I have in an active use some 2005-2013 hardware and I describe Firefox as significant worse (freezes and consumes more memory per tab), I do not like Chrome but I use it because I use that hardware sometimes.

Another story is if computer has at least Haswell/8GB. Than Firefox unleashes its ability to work just fine even with a lot of extensions.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#126

Post by unethical_ban »

dm_me_dogs wrote: post #35
jdiff wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their VPN is just reselling someone else's service, minimal effort invested while opening a mainstream service that actually provides an income stream. Seems like a solid strategy to me.

It also helps that the service they're re-selling is actually good. (Mullvad, if you weren't aware)

Firefox VPN is great for beginners, but it assumes too much and isn't flexible enough for power users. I had to cancel it because "Allow LAN connections" didn't base itself off my local subnet, but on RFC1918. My network is in a private IPv4 net other than that, and I couldn't configure split-tunnel manually.

Proton VPN works wonders and I like their mail product too.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#127

Post by WhyNotHugo »

You'd think that Mozilla has an excess of funding and has covered absolutely all needs in the browser space leading them to branch out like this... but the browser really needs a lot more hands and funding, I honestly can't make sense of this.

And Fakespot: they present themselves as a company that focuses on detecting AI-generated content from human-generated content. It sounds like they've set out to play Whac-A-Mole against the all the biggest AI companies in the world. Literally all the largest tech companies in the world are right now focused on making AI content indistinguishable from human-generated content.

I can't help think that this is an infinite money sink, and in no way improves Mozilla's browser.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#128

Post by maxamillion2020 »

ve55 wrote: post #13

How do they expect to lead in identifying fake content when the problem is intractable if adversaries are even somewhat competent? You can collect heuristics which may work here and there to stay ahead in this cat and mouse game, but when adversaries use AI models properly, there is no way to differentiate.

https://styrate.co/landing/ I'm building a product discovery website that actually uses AI and community input to filter out fake reviews

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#129

Post by capitainenemo »

fafzv wrote: post #96
kjkjadksj wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its amazing how consistently poor safari adoption has been.

Safari only runs on Apple hardware and the world at large is poor. Like really, really poor. Safari has 34.6% share in the US: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/united-s...

I was surprised that was still 22.4% even after narrowing down to desktop US https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/unit...

I didn't realise Macs were a quarter of the desktop market.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

#130

Post by simon_o »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #94
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

>This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. >The browser wars are basically over and why is that? Oh because Mozilla hasn't put any energy into getting better or pulling back market share from the moment it started to bleed out to Chrome. Let's not just sit back and go "Oh well, they lost nothing they could do" shrug . They built their tech in such an obtuse and opinionated way it's impossible to integrate…

Exactly. Mozilla management is the Stephen Elop of Firefox.
Post reply on HN