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Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by wereHamster »

porsager wrote: post #74
wereHamster wrote: post #35

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Right. The code converts all expressions into $N-parameters. However Postgres does not support parameters in all locations, eg. this would fail: import { tableName } from "../shared" sql`SELECT * FROM ${tableName} WHERE id=${formData.get('id')}` The @vercel/postgres package needs a big disclaimer that it works very differently from node-postgres and what is and is not allowed.

They've looked at Postgres.js ( https://github.com/porsager/postgres ) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way. Also, node-postgres is ripe for sql injections because you just concatenate strings yourself when using it...

The examples on https://node-postgres.com/features/queries clearly show how to use parametrized queries. Of course you /can/ concatenate strings, no library in the JS land will prevent you from doing that. But the examples are pretty clear how to do it correctly.

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Post by fireant »

ovao wrote: post #109
niyazpk wrote: post #80

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What are the leading alternatives? I know about RemixJS, but not too up to date on others and how each of these compare against each other.

Remix is probably the most notable, but there’s Astro as well: https://astro.build/ My impression on Remix is fairly solid, but it doesn’t have quite the “just write and deploy” appeal that Vercel’s done quite a good job with, and they’re somewhat trailing behind Next.js in terms of tracking newer React features (which, in practical terms, doesn’t matter much, since even beta Next.js features tend to ship in a very a…

I've switched to running new projects on Remix after using Next.js for many years. Remix is just much more sane. Next.js feels like they are aiming to statically precompile everything and do some automagic with the rest all the while locking useful features under Vercel.

I just want to write my SSR applications with dynamic data and deploy them to Docker, Next is making it harder than it needs to be.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by fireant »

overbytecode wrote: post #119
moomoo11 wrote: post #106

Am I the only Luddite who Deploys Go app containers. Pick a cloud. Use whatever they offer. Deploys static JS to cdn Calls it a day. I really do not understand these tools. Who is using them? I’ve built and worked on apps used by millions of people. Really don’t understand where the benefit is or if people are just over complicating basic things to extract money from chump developers?

Do you deploy just the JS to a CDN or a whole website? I wanted to do something similar, throw a static website on a CDN and use a Go API as its backend. But unsure how to get around CORS in a reliable way.

You setup CORS on your backend, it does not matter where or how you frontend works.

IMO biggest problem is that if your website is public facing, then just having an SPA is bad for crawlers and not great for UX.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by fireant »

chrismsimpson wrote: post #89

Serverless everywhere yields apps with massive latency & loading times and if timeouts aren’t well tuned (read: set unreasonably high) you often get dropped connections on api calls. I am currently migrating an app off vercel to raw compute (EC2) and the difference is night and day.

It's funny that on one hand people are preaching about Time To First Byte and SSR and what not, and on the other people from CF/Vercel and others are massively investing into serverless which almost by definition has to have drastically degraded latency compared to normal apps.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by Alifatisk »

cgb223 wrote: post #100
carride wrote: post #50

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You will get better customer support from Vercel. Cloudflare gives almost zero customer support if you are pay-as-you-go plan.

The secret to great customer support from Cloudflare is to drop into their Discord and join the channel of the product / service you're having trouble with Most of the engineers and product leaders on the teams that make the services check those channels daily and jump into help where they can. There's also a huge community of power users there called Community Champions who help out as well.

> The secret to great customer support from Cloudflare

I wish this never had to be said, it shouldn't be a secret.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by dbbk »

leerob wrote: post #10
MattIPv4 wrote: post #5

Pricing for them: Blob: https://vercel.com/docs/storage/vercel-blob/usage-and-pricin... KV: https://vercel.com/docs/storage/vercel-kv/usage-and-pricing Postgres: https://vercel.com/docs/storage/vercel-postgres/usage-and-pr...

KV/Postgres are accurate, that Blob page sneaked in. Blob pricing should be figured out shortly, we'll update that page (it's in private beta, invite only currently).

So take it down?

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by dbbk »

mhoad wrote: post #117
le_sigh_88 wrote: post #113

I really can't stand this company and it's business model. It preys on inexperienced engineers, locks them into an ecosystem of SaaS products that abstracts away important concepts they should learn, and charges an absolutely absurd premium while doing it. No serious company is ever going to use these criminally expensive software, so it's quite clear what their target market is. Unfortunately, they have such a stron…

This managed to encapsulate something that has been in the tip of my tongue ever since I first encountered them. That company is just a sea of red flags to me.

The Apple iPhone reveal styled announcement videos are also just absurd. Today, we are reinventing the web!

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by dbbk »

cccybernetic wrote: post #52
bluebeel wrote: post #21

the margin that vercel makes on these products that you can easily integrate with nextjs (or anything else that runs on their infra) is crazy. All of them offer easy integration with the edge or lambas functions... I don't see how vercel justifies this price outside of DX

Consumers have always been willing to pay a premium for simplicity & convenience. No difference here: devs will pay for DX.

What DX? One-click install, one time? How does that justify a recurring price premium?

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by yieldcrv »

Alifatisk wrote: post #116
pier25 wrote: post #93

> Simultaneously, as the world moves away from monolithic architectures to composable ones It's been the opposite for me. Back around 2015-2016 I was very excited about cloud functions, serverless, etc, but these past years I've gone back to mostly running VMs with regular persistent apps. Complexity has gone down considerably and there's zero lock in. With Docker I have full control over the platform and can run the…

This, feels to me like the opposite shift is happening. People moving away from microservices and going back to the monolithic arch because they realized they don’t need the scale and complexity FAANG is working on.

there's tons of free storage too

I know people are allergic to the word blockchain, but you can store variables on them for nearly free (its a one-time cost), have unlimited free read traffic, and have your users pay to update your state for you

your frontends just read that and update dynamically

cloud platforms aren't able to compete with that, and you can just do system design that is applicable to this infrastructure while scrapping every idea that doesn't work - just like in the before times

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by levifig »

Demonto wrote: post #67
dexterdog wrote: post #20

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I already lean away from S3/Azureblob/etc because their egress prices are terrible. .15/GB is borderline criminal.

150$ for a TB traffic?! Wtf

Our egress bill from Cloudfront last month, inc. the 1TB/per region free tier, was nearly $2,000. That's egress traffic ALONE (~20TB of it).

Needlessly to say, we're wrapping up testing on migrating our production (public) buckets to Cloudflare (R2) taking our cost from those $2,000 (and going up every month), to (drum roll)... $0,000/mo.

Have I mentioned AWS egress charges are borderline "extortionary"? :X

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