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Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #47
TheDong wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that sort of strategy can work for everyone because there's two possible negative mental outcomes in there too. First, some people will feel that they're "cheating" and don't deserve the paycheck because they're intentionally working less. That feeling can be worse than the benefit of having more time. Second, some people have too much of a sense of personal pride to do that sort of "quiet quitting". Th…

I didn't say I felt good about it. But I don't feel bad about it either. I do what I'm asked to do, just nothing more. As far as pride goes, what I do I do well, or at least to the best of my ability. I don't sabotage anything. Based on reviews of my work and absent any criticism, my employer seems to feel they are getting what they are paying for.

You sound like you're burying the leed here a bit. What tech company only has 40 hours a week of measurable work ready? Most companies have a big backlog of work that needs to be done.

It sounds like you're not doing all your tasks, you're making it look like you're doing enough tasks to not be fired. What happens if you have a project that takes 40 hours to get done? Do you work 10 hours and stretch it to the whole month?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by taylodl »

Yes, bad management exists. That's the #1 reason people cite for leaving companies. The problem is when you allow bad management to not care for your craft. If you find yourself copping the attitude of screw it, I get paid the same - then it's time for you to move on. Over time that attitude will rot you from the inside out.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by pierat »

kiratp wrote: post #83
reustle wrote: post #77

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> customers being forced to be unpaid employees Do you consider yourself a forced unpaid employee when you go through the checkout screen on Amazon?

Same energy as “I pirate stuff because it’s not provided to me exactly when, how and at the exact price I want”. “Information wants to be free!” This entire thread is depressing.

Yes, I am an unabashed 'pierat'. I've talked about that elsewhere in comments. And it's because I've been screwed time and again is why I'm solidly in the pro-piracy camp. I've paid enough. And buying legitimately means you're now subjected to buying rentals classified as 'purchase'.

Go read: https://xkcd.com/488/

Now as for shoplifting, I did not advocate it. I said I found it funny that shoplifting is being multiplied in direct proportion to the greed of the companies (getting rid of cashiers and putting in you-scan devices). Corporate greed is *enabling* customer greed.

When I worked "shit jobs" (read: box stores at 9$/hr), I didn't give one shit if I saw someone steal. My job was to stock shit. I wasn't in LP nor did I want to be. And if someone was stealing, not my goods, not my problem. And not worth bodily injury.

I didn't encourage it, but nor did I attempt to stop it. And then there's classes of shoplifting that I would completely look the other way (baby formula, diapers, baby food, etc). If you're that bad off attempting to steal that, I never saw even if I'm right there.

And yeah, it IS depressing when we talk about humans doing stuff to survive. And this is predominantly about petty theft for food. But talking about how big business intentionally rose all prices for the pandemic: well, business is just business. And the poor pay even more.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/pandemic-profits-com...

Ethics (and laws) for thee, but for me.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

RangerScience wrote: post #62

> Is there some way to correct this? How do you reward good behaviour here, and discourage “misbehavior” like this? …Yes? As the employer, find ways to be as generous and rewarding as possible. In immortal other words, “Fuck uou pay me.” Every example provided was “I went above and beyond and was not rewarded for it.” The fix is rewarding people for it.

Yeah but as the Dilbert comic at the end demonstrates, offering rewards for good behavior leads to perverse incentives. So wcyd?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

pierat wrote: post #119
MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #105

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Please. You can draw an analogy I guess, but it's not a good one and it is disrespectful. Slaves had no choice. That is what made them slaves. You do have choice, even if you don't like your current choices.

Yes, it is a good analogy. And you're correct that this is not chattel slavery. However this variant of slavery requires that we sell our bodies to whom will buy them. Instead of a lifetime commitment, it's per hour. I will never get back time I sell, and no amount of money can buy back that time. Many places also try to claim the contents of our mind as well as our physical output. And what happens if we don't engag…

We will have to agree to disagree then.

You have so many choices, including setting up your own business if you don't want to work for others, or living somewhere that is inexpensive and working less.

From my perspective you are just complaining that the universe does not owe you a living.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by bigattichouse »

Ownership. This is literally why the employees should own the company, or at least get significant ownership in terms of stock.

In every one of these cases, especially the AWS waste case, an employee with ownership in the company could see a direct monetary benefit from fixing the problem, especially at a small company.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by Cheezewheel »

smugma wrote: post #87
SoftTalker wrote: post #12

My eyes really opened to this during the pandemic and its aftermath. Working from home I did almost nothing productive. Got paid the same. Returning to the office, I noticed half the people still seemed to be working from home most days, so I started doing that too. And did almost nothing productive. Nobody apparently noticed or cared. Got paid the same. Got the same raise (yes, below inflation). So now I have given…

Did your company have layoffs by chance? Maybe this is why so many tech companies have had layoffs… it is terrible for morale but maybe not a lot of work is being lost.

It is naïve to think the layoffs were even meaningfully targeted towards unproductive employees.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by smsm42 »

atlantic wrote: post #114
smsm42 wrote: post #44

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Do you shoplift? Serious question. Shoplifting is rarely caught, and even more rarely prosecuted in many major cities (e.g. SF). While you probably won't be able to steal anything high value, there's a lot of things you'd be able to steal without being caught, and why pay for something if you can have it for free? Most grocery stores are owned by billion-dollar corporations, which don't hesitate to raise prices, enga…

> So, if you do not shoplift, why don't you? Have you hears of ethics?

Good idea. I have. But then I wonder why ethics would allow one to do a shit work but not to steal groceries?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by aeternum »

skinnymuch wrote: post #108
TheDong wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that sort of strategy can work for everyone because there's two possible negative mental outcomes in there too. First, some people will feel that they're "cheating" and don't deserve the paycheck because they're intentionally working less. That feeling can be worse than the benefit of having more time. Second, some people have too much of a sense of personal pride to do that sort of "quiet quitting". Th…

I believe you’re missing a major point that most of the benefits of the work are going to the companies. Not the workers. No one is choosing to participate in this system freely since we all need money. We should blame capitalism for not incentivizing workers more. Not congratulate some people for being okay with not working hard for a for profit corporation.

The key assumption is that workers produce much of the company's profit. That is increasingly an incorrect assumption.

There are now companies with zero employees, and I expect to see many more in the future. If a founder writes a highly profitable SaaS app, then hires an assistant, to help with minor tasks, and a janitor to keep the small office clean, why should their pay be proportional to the success of the SaaS app?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by skinnymuch »

pierat wrote: post #120
skinnymuch wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s example of how new skill that gets you the pay bumps? Also yes Ofc with the surplus value of labor it all makes sense.

In chronological order: Linux admin, reverse engineering, VM infrastructure, 3d printing and design, electronics design, radio and signals, docker, K8s, ML, ChatGPT. I find new areas I want to deep dive in. And I do just that. I may not be at full mastery of a thing, but I'm proficient at all of them. I'm also superb at blending them together in unorthodox ways, and that's where you can really shine. Recognizing that…

> Linux admin, reverse engineering, VM infrastructure, 3d printing and design, electronics design, radio and signals, docker, K8s, ML, ChatGPT.

Wow such breath. Chronological order makes this even cooler.

I believe I can do some semblance of Linux admin, reverse engineering (depending on what this means), VMs, LLMs.

> Or combining electronics design with ChatGPT allows rapid iterative design

I haven’t advanced with LLMs enough. This sounds interesting though I don’t understand it :)

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Did you get your current job or will get your next one based on ML, or chatgpt? Or is it more to gain these knowledges as they are the clear big new thing that’s actually unique (vs basics like web frameworks)

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