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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Upvoter33 wrote: post #114
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #14

Great match by Ding and Ian both, and I honestly think Ding deserves the win in the end. I think Ian got a bit too results oriented and pragmatic towards the end of the match, playing too imprecisely and quickly in key positions and always a little too happy with a draw. Ding was just playing chess. And as often happens in chess, this ended up being the decisive psychological factor. Ian, going for a repetition, And…

I wouldn't agree with the "deserves to win". If you look at the classical matches, probably Ian had the slight edge, and tbh, he could have wrapped up the entire thing in Game 13(I may not be remembering the exact game, but the one where he had a strong position but gave it away and lost, thus leading to a tie). And, honestly, in rapid, they were really really even. Even one better move at the end might have tied it…

Well, yes he could have, but he didn't. And Ding simply played better than him and beat him in that game. And in the game before that he passed up chances to play for a win with white for an easy draw.

That's why I think the final game became sort of a microcosm of the match as a whole. Ian's concentration slipped and he was thinking of making a draw, and the match situation, and not the position at hand, and when Ding rejected the draw he was too flabbergasted by it to handle the position whereas Ding just kept calculating.

It was a very tight match, and both players would have deserved it had they won they tie break. But I think overall in decisive moments Ding was just a little bit more collected and concentrated, and that's why he ended up winning.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Scarblac »

throwawaysalome wrote: post #69
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Carlsen will participate. I'm actually rather salty at him for forfeiting the title. If you are a chess champion, you have to defend the title until you lose, or die, whichever happens first. After he had refused to defend the title, it made the title of his successor automatically less worthy. That's bad.

When you get older, you realize "world champion" is meaningless, and the adjudicating organizations are profit-driven, even if they're legally non-profit (the NFL being the most brazen example).

FIDE doesn't make a profit. But the revenue they get from the match (about $1m) is a large part of their budget.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hacym »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #109

Congratulations to both players for providing us with so many decisive and interesting games! Particular congratulations to Ding! I played in the US Chess Open in 1978, but I am not much of a player. I did write the shitty little Chess program that Apple distributed on the Apple II demo cassette tape. Off topic, but I 100% support Magnus’s decision to do what he enjoys: playing in tournaments and not time spent prepa…

That decision is made a lot easier once you've been on top five times and no matter what happens in the championship you're not participating in, everyone knows you're still the GOAT.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hibikir »

somenameforme wrote: post #24
perihelions wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main commentator stream was (reasonably) blindsided by Rg6, with comedic timing. Sachdev: "Rg6 is not a move that you'd consider here, right? It's the only move that I feel with black keeps the game going, but it looks more like a losing move than a winning attempt." Caruana: "If Rg6 is not better for white [Nepomniachtchi], I'd be shocked" Ding: [plays Rg6] https://youtu.be/cSxNZix1Xwc?t=16087

I do wonder if Fabiano Caruana (the commentator in question, world #7) is going to have some introspection following these events, because that pattern occurred several times during his commentary. He came up with endless (and completely valid) ways for both players to 'kill'/simplify/draw the games at various points, but the players chose far more ambitious routes ultimately culminating in the final game where it de…

The weird thing is that, if you look for stylistic differences in super-grandmasters, Fabiano is one of the most combative in tournament play. In any random day, he is far less drawish than Ding himself, or Anish Giri, the commentator earlier in the match. It's not that Fabiano was too passive: It's that the two players in this tournament took unreasonable risks with black.

If you look at the Fabiano/Carlsen matches, what you see is that both players know Carlsen is the better calculator, but that Fabiano is going to have better prep almost every single time. He is one of the best theoreticians alive. So what did he play? Give absolutely nothing Carlsen could grab on to when playing black, yet the scariest possible theoretical openings as white, sometimes still being in-book for 5-10 moves over Carlsen. When Fabi was white, he had plenty of ambition and plenty of chances, but the calculation wasn't quite good enough, as Carlsen's worst moves were never significant, visible blunders.

The Fabiano of that championship would have won this year's championship with relative ease, just because he'd never lose with black, and would capitalize on blunders. The way he played really is the best chance he had.

The wonderful spectacle of a match we just got only comes from two players that, inexplicably, kept trying to win with black, and fail. Good for us, but I suspect that for a top professional it's very hard to understand.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by rabite »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49
agubelu wrote: post #22

It was a very exciting WCC, but I feel like something should be done about the post-match press conferences. Many of the questions asked in the most prestigious chess tournament are not even remotely related to the games that were played, and sometimes plainly disrespectful towards the players. The first question right after a new World Champion has been crowned was about the weather.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Ding is in fact the sole player that can make this not statement not true, as he is a candidate with a known positive score against Magnus. A couple WCCs ago Magnus said Ding was the only player that he wasn't sure he could win against -- but that he wouldn't make it, after a poor showing in the candidates at the time.

Anyways, I don't know who would win in a Carlsen - Ding WCC. Nobody does. If the game statistics are to be believed, then Ding would.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by specproc »

vikingerik wrote: post #96
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #12

A lot of people (me included) thought this series was dire for Ding after watching him get crushed a few days ago by his opponent Nepo where Ding visibly froze and was in a state of total mental disarray after he couldn't decide on his move, wasted a ton of time, and ended up making a bad move anyways. Commenters said that this was Nepo's strength, even if he doesn't make the absolute greatest move he makes a good en…

The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

I dunno about variance in Nepo-Carlsen. Game six was brutal, a cat playing with its food. I think it's fair to say Carlsen outclasses Nepo.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Bostonian »

blackpill0w wrote: post #27

It should be noted that one of the reasons this WCC was exciting is because of Richard Rapport who helped Ding Liren with his preparation, he is well know for being creative with his openings, and his contributions were pretty obvious in games (we even saw a London System), specially that Ding is usually predictable.

Yes, but I still don't see the point of the 4.h3 novelty, which wastes a move. Ding lost that game badly.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by squirrel »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

GM Daniel King explains games in an accessible and very insightful way on the PowerPlay Chess youtube channel.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by notreallyauser »

rvba wrote: post #118

Does the world championship use any detectors to check if participants arent cheating? Via some communication device, sounds, lights etc. that would tell moves taken from a computer or a set of helpers? Alternatively someone could put some device inside their body. Are the participants scanned somehow?

There is security beforehand. Not seen specifics on this event, but metal detector arches have been part of it in other events.

The playing hall is, I think, essentially closed after the start of the match.

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