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It's ironic on a site called 'hacker news' where everyone knows what the older 'proper' definition of hacker people don't seem to care or even to point out what the older, 'proper' definition of troll is. Fortunately wikipedia still has in their definition: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, cha…

Well trolled, sir.

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They could host it behind age checks. It seems like it would be easy enough for them to perform automatically.

They could, but then they'd lose a large chunk of users who don't want to be even remotely associated with such a site.

And this doesn't apply to Holocaust deniers because...

Re: BBC confronts Facebook troll

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The tone of this article is downright chilling. Sure, this guy is a complete nuisance but he should have every right to spread his hate speech wherever property owners condone. The current anti-bullying meme that is being propagated by mass-media and politicians is just another in a long line of ruses designed to limit the human rights of the electorate.

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While it would be lovely if we could find a way to get rid of harassing trolls on the internet, suppose someone on Facebook posts a comment disparaging [the founder of a certain faith known to try to assassinate people for disparaging said founder], then members of that faith might make formal complaints to the service demanding his account be deleted. So yeah, probably best to just try to make options to permanently block specific users/ip addresses from EVER posting to your feed.

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Commenting on this particular troll is probably beneath the majority of us. However, on a general note, I think it is important to realize that every text message you send, every cell phone conversation you have, every post to the CNN forum you make, every tweet you send ... is directly attributable to your IP whether you use your own name or not. With Facebook and Google tracking everything you do, whether you are l…

Many of us would say and do crazy things on Usenet (in my defense I was aged between 13-17 when I used Usenet). News servers would delete the posts after 30 days and there was little to worry about, or so we thought.

...until Deja News came out - a cached, searchable store of all Usenet posts, which Google later acquired.

Everything we put out on the Internet can and probably will be stored by someone forever.

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The tone of this article is downright chilling. Sure, this guy is a complete nuisance but he should have every right to spread his hate speech wherever property owners condone. The current anti-bullying meme that is being propagated by mass-media and politicians is just another in a long line of ruses designed to limit the human rights of the electorate.

It varies by country but assuming this troll is in the UK hate speech is not a protected form of free speech in his country. So in the UK he doesn't have the right to spread his hate speech. Now that his name is known perhaps somebody will take him to court, who knows. The US is one of the few countries where hate speech is technically protected but even still there are some exceptions including "fighting words" and harassment which could possibly be relevant.

This guy seems to be aware that his behavior would be likely to land him "9 weeks" in jail which he dismisses as an insignificant punishment.

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I agree; I'd imagine the act of violent/abusive trolling is a clear symptom of one of a number of personality disorders.

What's the difference between personality and personality disorder? Is there anyone who is not mentally ill? Ultimately, everyone has their foibles. It's what makes humans human. Only when someone become Internet Famous, though, do we start diagnosing them with illnesses. Why is that? Why can't we say, "wow, this guy has chosen a pretty worthless hobby. too bad he can't use his time to build model trains or something…

I'd say the line between personality and personality disorder is when you derive pleasure out of hurting people who have done nothing to you. Even more so when they are already grieving.

I think the concept of lulz to me is funny when it comes from a place of humor rather than hatred. Perhaps it's a gray area for some people at what point it stops being funny and starts being simply malicious.

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I fail to see the relevance of this. In addition it somewhat upsets me that someone could get jail time for making an offensive comment. Depending on the jurisdiction or culture, I know I have said things that would be offensive to someone (specifically regarding religion.) To be faced with jail time over something like that does not sound like something I would expect from a western country.

>In addition it somewhat upsets me that someone could get jail time for making an offensive comment. Depending on the jurisdiction or culture, I know I have said things that would be offensive to someone (specifically regarding religion.)

But did you say them with the specific, primary intent to cause that person harassment, alarm or distress? I would wager not.

Note that I don't necessarily agree with the legislation, but it's an important distinction.

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They could, but then they'd lose a large chunk of users who don't want to be even remotely associated with such a site.

And this doesn't apply to Holocaust deniers because...

Because people don't care about Holocaust deniers as much as they care about 'indecent' pictures.

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wow thats actually crazy! designing a simple bootstrap website that "failed" and later on Craiglist reported it somewhere that your future may depend on?? can you share some more details?

No, the mortgage broker did a google search on me, my wife, and my corporation. They found NotifyWire.com where I released the details of the Cease and Desist letter sent by Craigslist. Since my income comes from my company (though mostly from consulting activities) the broker thought the underwriters might think my income future was in jeopardy. He told me mortgage underwriters are doing web searches on applicants,…

As someone related to a mortgage underwriter I can tell you that they aren't doing Google searches on you[1]. They have all the documents they need to make a judgement call, if they don't they'll kick it back to you with a list of clarifications.

[1] This rule only applies to Fannie Freddie and the SBA which do the majority of mortgages. If you go through a private bank the rules are off.

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