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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by 411111111111111 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:19 PM UTC

netbioserror wrote: post #86

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

> . Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete.

You're straight up projecting your own personal experiences as a generalized truth. Seriously, grow up and learn that there are a lot of differences in people. You might need this, that doesn't make it into an universal truth that everyone needs it or gets it by having a dayjob.

The only thing that you can say, generally is this: humans can gain happiness by getting acceptance from other people when they care about the people that accept them.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Terretta » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:20 PM UTC

wokwokwok wrote: post #115

Gud wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be working without it being your only source of income. If everybody was given let’s say ten million dollars in capital (and endless social security), those who wanted could work. The rest of us wouldn’t mind letting the machines do the work.

By whom? ...and what will happen when every single person goes and tries to buy a 50" TV? Hm? Did we suddenly invent a magical TV making machine? Come on... this is Real Life, not Magical Fairy Land. We're not talking about a magical cornucopia that generates an endless amount of physical goods that can be used to accommodate the needs of every person. We're very specifically talking here about technological shift th…

> Did we suddenly invent a magical TV making machine?

I mean ... we already have 3D printing, and car making robots, and electronics making robots. Most of the TV is robots.

All that's needed is the equivalent of 3D printing that adds an extra step of "TV-making-robot"-making robots. One reason we don't have that is that it turns out the robot making robot costs more than certain as-yet non-globalized labor markets.

It's not that we can't, it's that the ROE is bad.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by adhocmobility » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:20 PM UTC

Hi everyone, author of the article here. I'm sorry if the article sounds overly pessimistic. I'm not making any claims with this article. I'm not proposing anything either. I do think technological progress is a good thing, even in this case. But I wrote this blog because I did have an emotional response to this technology, and wanted to pen down my thoughts.

Its one thing to look at a report about the economic impact of new technology, but another to experience it first-hand. This is just a story about someone who will be impacted. Calling it a "sob" story is very harsh. This story is very real and the feeling of losing your job to automation is anything but pleasant.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by NicoJuicy » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

Tbh.

I only used chatgpt for reasoning or eg. Finding synonyms for variables ( better naming).

I don't see it replacing my job, but it's a replacement for rubber ducking.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by shagie » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

sveme wrote: post #28

Beaver117 wrote: post #11

Just hurry up and automate everyone's jobs so we can get UBI

But that would require that we start taxing companies far more and stop the global tax evasion mechanisms. I fear automation is just going to further increase inequality and devastate the middle class. But that has been predicted for every new increase in automation, so maybe we‘ll be wrong again.

> But that would require that we start taxing companies far more

Instead of thinking of things like "payroll tax" and such being a tax on humans - change it to a tax on (for lack of a better word) productivity.

Tax the robots.

https://news.mit.edu/2022/robot-tax-income-inequality-1221

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_tax

https://fortune.com/2023/02/21/bernie-sanders-bill-gates-rob... ( https://archive.is/Y90NU )

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ChatGTP » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

adhocmobility wrote: post #123

Hi everyone, author of the article here. I'm sorry if the article sounds overly pessimistic. I'm not making any claims with this article. I'm not proposing anything either. I do think technological progress is a good thing, even in this case. But I wrote this blog because I did have an emotional response to this technology, and wanted to pen down my thoughts. Its one thing to look at a report about the economic impac…

I feel empathetic to your message, thanks for writing.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by sorokod » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

ChatGTP wrote: post #120

sorokod wrote: post #23

There may be new jobs replacing those that have been made irrelevant by the advent of AI but Priyas and possibly some readers of this thread will nor be able to switch between them. Consider a programmer that reports a productivity increase of 50% due to AI - a question the company will be asking itself is can we get rid of 50% of our programmers?

Ai researchers are susceptible too. Sam Altman and Ilya will have their day as well.

I am not gloating, many will be in for a bumpy ride. That includes, in my opinion, some of the commenters here that provide "Pria" with helpful career suggestions.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by surgical_fire » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

netbioserror wrote: post #86

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

You should come here and find some meaning painting my fence.

While you are at it, the toilet in the basement is clogged, there is shit water all over the place. You could find meaning there too.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ehnto » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

auggierose wrote: post #104

jzb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be great. It’s also not going to happen without a massive uprising. The people profiting off automation have zero intent of sharing the wealth and every intent of hoarding it.

Yep. That's why there WILL be an uprising. When? I don't know. When the pressure becomes too high to bear, and risking your life seems like a good option compared to just hanging in there. But maybe by that time most humans have been genetically engineered to be happy to be serfs, and oligarchy is a genetic condition now.

I expect we'll adjust the status quo for decades yet. The internet projects a lot of negative sentiment, but I suspect most people are happy scraping by so long as they have a roof and some entertainment.

Even proactive people are made to believe they are just one more "rise and grind" away from being a millionaire, they want to be succesful in this society, so they have no desire to tear it down.

What could bring the stack of cards coming down I think, is a housing affordability crisis. For anyone who has ended up without a home or even just the threat of losing a place to live, you wake up to that reality real quick. If there is suddenly a majority without work and without a home, that's a bunch of people who just found out the system is broken and will want answers.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by knagy » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:25 PM UTC

After I first encountered with GPT4, I was pessimistic about the future of my job too. Now I think it will be a productivity multiplier in the right hands (or I hope). You can get proper answers from it if you somewhat know the domain. I can ask GPT4 about programming and I get mostly what I want, but I'm useless if I have to get a decent picture from DALL-E.

The question is what will companies do with this productivity multiplier. My pessimistic guess would be cost cutting and letting people go. A bit more optimistic view could be better software, better test coverage, improvement in code quality, more features quicker or maybe more native applications if companies only need to develop one native app and AI can generate the app for other platforms.