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Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the epitome of the sentiment: those interested in the pursuit of “hard truths” are only extrinsically motivated to find fault in others and gleefully “correct” another’s “faulty” self perception. Never intrinsically motivated to better themselves… Tell me more about how everyone else in the “modern world” is the problem…

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Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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>Even if my words are accurate, rational, and true, the way I deliver them may color that truth with an entirely different message. A doctor can deliver bad news of a terminal diagnosis with seriousness and sympathy. Or they can just glibly say "Don't bother buying green bananas."

  A: knock knock

  B: who's there?

  A: insensitive doctor

  B: insensitive doctor wh--

  A (interrupting): you have cancer.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Two things - 1. science is the search for being right. It has brought us untold riches and wealth (and weapons). But getting humans to accept the provable facts is really really hard and usually progress is made a funeral at a time. 2. Most people who think they are right are not using scientific rigour but their own instincts and are usually full of hot air - see any middle manager for examples So yes, you are right…

> science is the search for being right I thought science is actually the search for wrong - the null hypothesis. And science seems to mostly progress by showing your predecessors and colleagues are incorrect. The laws of science are nothing like laws.

It's both, but not really either of these, IMO.

It's more about characterizing and quantifying uncertainty.

And the "null hypothesis" focus in introductory stats is hotly contested, both pedagogically and philosophically. It's not wrong per se, but it can be a bit misleading and it's arguably not the most elegant framework.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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My 2¢: Don't tell someone they're wrong. You'll never convince them, even when you're right. It's not worth the ink (or the blood pressure). Instead, guide them towards the path to figuring out for themselves that they're wrong. Build a foundation of truths and facts they can evaluate their own beliefs against. If they change their mind, great. If they don't learn, you're no worse off than you were before (and your b…

Let‘s go and start gaslighting everyone

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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My 2¢: Don't tell someone they're wrong. You'll never convince them, even when you're right. It's not worth the ink (or the blood pressure). Instead, guide them towards the path to figuring out for themselves that they're wrong. Build a foundation of truths and facts they can evaluate their own beliefs against. If they change their mind, great. If they don't learn, you're no worse off than you were before (and your b…

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Is upper perspective based on real life or internet disagreements?

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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My 2¢: Don't tell someone they're wrong. You'll never convince them, even when you're right. It's not worth the ink (or the blood pressure). Instead, guide them towards the path to figuring out for themselves that they're wrong. Build a foundation of truths and facts they can evaluate their own beliefs against. If they change their mind, great. If they don't learn, you're no worse off than you were before (and your b…

Let‘s go and start gaslighting everyone

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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My 2¢: Don't tell someone they're wrong. You'll never convince them, even when you're right. It's not worth the ink (or the blood pressure). Instead, guide them towards the path to figuring out for themselves that they're wrong. Build a foundation of truths and facts they can evaluate their own beliefs against. If they change their mind, great. If they don't learn, you're no worse off than you were before (and your b…

Let‘s go and start gaslighting everyone

Responding to "the gas light's dimmer" by suggesting they get a lux meter is rather the opposite, I'd say.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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>Even if my words are accurate, rational, and true, the way I deliver them may color that truth with an entirely different message. A doctor can deliver bad news of a terminal diagnosis with seriousness and sympathy. Or they can just glibly say "Don't bother buying green bananas."

> Don't bother buying green bananas I can't be the only one who thinks this delivery might be hilarious? Of course, I respect and understand that not everybody would find it to be.

I wouldn't find it funny because it isn't clear that what's being communicated is a joke as opposed to some obscure idiom that I don't know. I wouldn't buy green bananas because they taste terrible, so it would seem on the face, not very useful advice.
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