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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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post #117

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

They have stopped prosecuting repeat offenders, and reduced the size of the police force People are slowly realizing that it was a mistake, but its gonna take some time to fix the situation.

If startups were really worried about avoiding crime, they would be in high rent Mill Valley Sausalito etc

In startup world, you tolerate the crime to get cheap office space

Salesforce went downtown for the cheap rent. Otherwise it was always foggy chilly and a commute mess. Amazon's original offices in Seattle were near some really spooky stuff too. In startup grind you do what you do

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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post #117

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

They have stopped prosecuting repeat offenders, and reduced the size of the police force People are slowly realizing that it was a mistake, but its gonna take some time to fix the situation.

>They have stopped prosecuting repeat offenders, and reduced the size of the police force

Ok, but apparently it was shit even before that, so this can't be full answer.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#125

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

Many of the other comments are missing the point. It's ultimately because there are a lot of desperate people in SF. The bay area has the highest homelessness incidence in the country. Mental health services are poor to non-existent. The city is full of people with no options, no healthcare, and no support system. We could criminalize homelessness even more, and brutalize the desperate with more police interventions, but that's a lazy and unsympathetic explanation for why this is happening. Society has failed the poor and SF is exhibit A.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#127

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

In fairness, downtown SF SJ and Oakland were always a tad dicey even back in dot com days so most startups preferred to be in more expensive PA MV Even East PA was the hood. Oakland was famous for riots SF governance has always been terrible. Real estate has gotten so expensive that startups anxious to conserve runway are pushing deeper into bad neighborhoods that were once unthinkable

> Real estate has gotten so expensive that startups anxious to conserve runway are pushing deeper into bad neighborhoods that were once unthinkable

If the cost of office space were a concern, it'd be difficult to explain why they're anywhere near the Bay Area at all.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Funny how people try so hard to show/prove/argue that SF is safe. If it was, these discussions wouldn’t exist. You won’t see these threads about Zurich, just saying.

The existence of the problem and people denying it are intrinsically linked. You see similar developments in other big cites and it's not just limited to the US either but a phenomenon all over the Western world. Look at Britain and the cover up of those horrific gang rapes for many years.

Ideology is the problem. There are many who base their worldview not on reality but rather what they wish to be true.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Funny how people try so hard to show/prove/argue that SF is safe. If it was, these discussions wouldn’t exist. You won’t see these threads about Zurich, just saying.

This also happened when Trump said there were no-go zones in some European cities. The MSM instantly "fact checked" his claims and said he was lying. Fast forward a couple of years and now even those countries' governments admit that those zones do in fact exist.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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post #117

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

They have stopped prosecuting repeat offenders, and reduced the size of the police force People are slowly realizing that it was a mistake, but its gonna take some time to fix the situation.

Neither of these things are true, and SF ousted the DA that was apparently not prosecuting offenders, and things haven't seemed to change?
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