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SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Anecdotal, but: Startup I worked at hired a bunch of SpaceX and other musk company employees as middle management, during the hyper growth phase and every single one of them was simply awful. Some were just abusive managers, many were just not that effective. The worst one was a manager that would swoop down with heroics, take credit for other people's work, not support reports on ideas you had, played the blame game…

Man These Elon companies are really the biggest split personality companies I have seen. I have heard stories like what you describe from some people but then you have people like Astronaut Garrett Reisman, Chip Designer Jim Keller, and AI Research Andrej Karpathy all give amazing praise to Elon and his companies. And when the cars are torn down we see top tier engineering execution and innovation while at the same t…

In a 10,000+ person org you’re likely to have a huge variation in personalities, then you have pseudonymous internet commenters who may have an axe to grind or other agenda and be happy to cherry-pick one way or the other.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Man These Elon companies are really the biggest split personality companies I have seen. I have heard stories like what you describe from some people but then you have people like Astronaut Garrett Reisman, Chip Designer Jim Keller, and AI Research Andrej Karpathy all give amazing praise to Elon and his companies. And when the cars are torn down we see top tier engineering execution and innovation while at the same t…

Hot take: The people you mentioned are hired to bring big-name cred to the organization. None of them stuck around (correct me if I'm wrong, I've only done a cursory glance just now), they all left. Eg, they're the "top tier engineering" part of the companies, and other employees (and I've dealt with these employees at Tesla in a past life, so I can attest to their terrible attitude) are the "mediocre build quality".

Might be generally true, but there are some major exceptions. Gwynne Shotwell for example.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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I wish it was more like this at existing companies. Why everyone isn't leaving Adobe, Meta, and Google to found their own AI / generative media startups astounds me. If you work in our incredibly lucrative field, you may be able to afford a few quarters of leaning into risk. Startups are like a brush fire. Old incumbents have so much legacy code and cruft that nimble upstarts killing them is healthy . The "SpaceX dia…

Ex-Netflixer here. I've come to appreciate that equity for your time !== equity for your money. Take cash in excess of your burn rate in-hand over equity any day. Then take that excess cash and buy equity. Compared to taking a $250k base and $250k equity offer from a startup, it's substantially better to take a $500k cash in-hand offer from FAANG and use your extra $250k to cut angel checks. Some early-stage startups…

> Compared to taking a $250k base and $250k equity offer from a startup

No startup offers such high salaries.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Huh? pretty much every one of the recently successful AI startup employees (OpenAI, Anthropic, etc.) have had stints at Google Brain.

OpenAI is roughly 375 people, I don't know how big Anthropic is but I assume similar. I think the person you're replying to is wondering why the other 25 million of us aren't doing the same.

25 million? Where are you pulling this ginormous number from?

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Corporate lawsuits against individuals generally don't need grounds. The pain is the point.

What's groundless is this mentality. Please read Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (a rule that is also well-adopted in state courts as well). As fun as it is to hate on big tech, one should still be mindful of the fact that their attorneys aren't stupid enough to file patently frivolous lawsuits that put their own law licenses on the line.

Has any corporate attorney ever been disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits against individuals on behalf of their company? It's certainly not a common occurrence.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Man These Elon companies are really the biggest split personality companies I have seen. I have heard stories like what you describe from some people but then you have people like Astronaut Garrett Reisman, Chip Designer Jim Keller, and AI Research Andrej Karpathy all give amazing praise to Elon and his companies. And when the cars are torn down we see top tier engineering execution and innovation while at the same t…

Hot take: The people you mentioned are hired to bring big-name cred to the organization. None of them stuck around (correct me if I'm wrong, I've only done a cursory glance just now), they all left. Eg, they're the "top tier engineering" part of the companies, and other employees (and I've dealt with these employees at Tesla in a past life, so I can attest to their terrible attitude) are the "mediocre build quality".

Astronaut Garrett Reisman worked for 7 years there and is on record stating that is all the stress he could handle.[1]:

Jim Keller has a history of joining a company to start a project and then leaving once it is complete. He did this multiple times in his career and was with Tesla until they completed the self driving computer. He has also left behind a team of stellar well known people.

I am not too sure about Andrej Karpathy. I dont know if we have enough of a history to know when he chooses to join and leave companies.

There must be a lot of lower level engineers who have to be developing all these amazing subsystems in the car and other products.

Wonder what the turn over is for the really skilled people. Maybe the truly burnt out people or just stragglers are the ones you are encountering.

[1]:https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=420

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Hot take: The people you mentioned are hired to bring big-name cred to the organization. None of them stuck around (correct me if I'm wrong, I've only done a cursory glance just now), they all left. Eg, they're the "top tier engineering" part of the companies, and other employees (and I've dealt with these employees at Tesla in a past life, so I can attest to their terrible attitude) are the "mediocre build quality".

Astronaut Garrett Reisman worked for 7 years there and is on record stating that is all the stress he could handle.[1]: Jim Keller has a history of joining a company to start a project and then leaving once it is complete. He did this multiple times in his career and was with Tesla until they completed the self driving computer. He has also left behind a team of stellar well known people. I am not too sure about Andr…

Appreciate the deeper details, thanks.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Thanks marketing people that decided to double down despite the clear distaste of the general public at their relentless tracking.

Is this the clear distaste of the general public or an overreaction with bad regulation by a government authority? It’s been how many years now and GDPR has done very little to improve anything despite the cookie prompts on websites everywhere? At this point they are as useful as TOS (not) with the annoyance of seeing one every website.

How do you know GDPR has done very little?

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Googler here. If you work at a big tech company you can improve the products used by millions if not billions of people. I find that very rewarding.

I guess that's one way to delude yourself. I'm just here (different big tech company) to get the biggest paycheck for the least amount of harm I could inflict on the world.

People can have feelings without being deluded; it's okay to feel motivated by how many users use the thing you made. You do you.

That said, many googlers do _not_ end up impacting millions or billions of users. So GP is a lucky one. Google has a lot of people working on infra, internal tooling, and subfeatures within products that don't / are hard to connect to usage.

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