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Re: Wavelength

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Post by jgruber »

the_gipsy wrote: post #110

My group of (nerd) friends just migrated to matrix after Telegram started with their premium/crypto shenanigans and synthetic free-tier restrictions. This new chat app is currently bait, but I'm not really lured by "threads", and the switch is a ticking timebomb. Other red flags: * Signup with phone number, other apps have proven that it's not universally necessary. * Not mentioning that the author got equity of the…

> e2ee handwaving but there will never be proof unless they open-source it.

This is a good point, and the Wavelength team is well aware of this.

> but suspiciously not matrix.org

I will admit I’d not heard of Matrix until your mention of it here. So I spent a few minutes downloading it, signing up, etc. It’s obviously competitive with Wavelength to some extent, but the first-class threading concept isn’t there. It seems more like a modern IRC or Slack alternative. Glad to be made aware of it though — thanks.

Re: Wavelength

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Post by jgruber »

mavhc wrote: post #109
rubidium wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is groups > channels > messages but doesn’t use threads (I believe). MS Teams is groups > channels > threads > messages But yea this does feel like forum arrangement. Which is really the most useful format for longer term conversations. Discord is great for “today and tomorrow matters yesterday doesn’t (yolo).

Discord has subchannels, which it calls threads Team's threads vs messages are so similar users often don't understand them No one has usenet style threads yet

Wavelength’s threading feels Usenet-y to me.

Re: Wavelength

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Post by jgruber »

macintux wrote: post #113
sneak wrote: post #55

> Messages on Wavelength are completely private and secure, using state of the art end-to-end encryption. All of the state of the art end-to-end encryption in products I know of is free software. Much more difficult to verify these claims otherwise. Furthermore, the app privacy label on the App Store claims that this service collects your contacts. So much for privacy, then. Any conversation that includes OpenAI's GP…

> Furthermore, the app privacy label on the App Store claims that this service collects your contacts. So much for privacy, then. FWIW, it’s up to the user whether to allow that. I don’t recall the language the app uses to describe the contact request, it seemed reasonable but I didn’t allow it.

Correct. Sharing contact information is opt-in, and what gets stored on the server is only salted and hashed phone numbers, not even names. It’s just a way to find people on Wavelength whose phone numbers are in your contacts. Also, if you later choose to delete your contacts from Wavelength, everything stored on the server is deleted. The privacy policy makes this clear, I think.

Re: Wavelength

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Post by jgruber »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #97

All this talk of native however Catalyst on macOS is a dead end transitional tech. Apple wants you to use SwiftUI for Mac as a native target without catalyst.

You think the Mac version of Messages was ported via Catalyst two years ago and it’s a dead end? I don’t.

Re: Wavelength

#125

Post by steve_avery »

How can it be possible that there is @AI tagging in groups within the E2EE context? The AI generation must run on server side, probably through an OpenAI API, so the text of the conversation must be available to the backend to be able to generate the AI response. What am I missing?

Re: Wavelength

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Post by wahnfrieden »

jgruber wrote: post #121
the_gipsy wrote: post #110

My group of (nerd) friends just migrated to matrix after Telegram started with their premium/crypto shenanigans and synthetic free-tier restrictions. This new chat app is currently bait, but I'm not really lured by "threads", and the switch is a ticking timebomb. Other red flags: * Signup with phone number, other apps have proven that it's not universally necessary. * Not mentioning that the author got equity of the…

> e2ee handwaving but there will never be proof unless they open-source it. This is a good point, and the Wavelength team is well aware of this. > but suspiciously not matrix.org I will admit I’d not heard of Matrix until your mention of it here. So I spent a few minutes downloading it, signing up, etc. It’s obviously competitive with Wavelength to some extent, but the first-class threading concept isn’t there. It se…

Matrix is more interesting as a protocol than it is in terms of its current clients

Re: Wavelength

#128

Post by wkat4242 »

georgelyon wrote: post #19

I’m intrigued by this. I wonder how well it functions as an HN discussion forum… let’s try to hug it? https://wavelength.app/invite/FtKfkbGbbbc#r9ji5_g_IA7UV23et1...

It's iOS/Mac only which makes it a non starter in most of Europe. We're 70% Android here.

But anyway I'm not looking for the next chat app anymore.. there's already too many. I bridge everything to matrix now to have everything in one place. WhatsApp, signal, telegram, discord, slack etc. I don't want to use this new thing until a bridge becomes available to it and some of my contacts prefer it as their main contact method. It sounds like this is a long way away.

Re: Wavelength

#129

Post by wkat4242 »

nice_byte wrote: post #33

so I have to use slack at work, and my social interactions with friends, family and acquaintances are split across fb messenger, telegram, slack, discord, skype, WhatsApp, google chat, SMS, twitter dms and probably a few more I'm forgetting. on some of those platforms, I talk to as little as 1 single person. I don't understand what could possibly drive anyone to making a new messaging app at this point. Even if your…

Totally agree. It's a pain. I currently use matrix but I hope the EU initiative to mandate interoperability between chat apps comes through for us.

Re: Wavelength

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Post by zx8080 »

wslh wrote: post #80

IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…

Don't gentlemen do whatever necessary to earn money? Except stealing from another gentlemen, of course.
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