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Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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I’ll bite - because 80% of my searches it returns a convenient answer that matches my expectations of what the answer will look like. I still have to validate (there’s still an objective reality to be satisfied) but that’s pretty good. 20% of the time I have to google, but that’s made more efficient by using specific terms mentioned by chatGPT - getting the right terms in a google search is half the battle. It does s…

How do you know what part of the answer is wrong?

I asked chatgpt to give me the equivalent "ss" command to "netstat -nap". It did and it was correct because I already knew the answer and tried it anyway. Then I asked the equivalent of "netstat -rn" (if any), it gave me "ss -r" something, which is wrong.

So you either know enough to spot the error or you verify all of it.

Another example. I had a long session with it where I was trying to get it to write a gitlab ci config file where the artifacts to be deployed to Netlify were already present at the root of the repo. As an addition it had a requirement to use 'sed' to rewrite a domain name recursively. This is the first and only time chatgpt was useful to me although it made a lot of mistakes that needed correcting.It was more useful than a google search because I wasn't able to find the correct format with it as most examples assumed a build step.

One thing that was frustrating is how I would give it requirements and it would incorporate them only to lose a prior requirement when fixing a latter one. I ended up hand fixing one of the later configs rather than using the final one it gave me.

For example I needed to use a node image because netlify-cli was required (the only custom thing necessary from the image) but it would revert to using an Alpine image and point to a now archived repo with a nonexistent release url for gitlab's cli.

When it fixed something else it would break the find .. sed combination and add nonsensical things like *. html to it rather than working on all files recursively.

In the end, through a combination of AI helping and the user (me) chiming in and trying to reason about it I was able to get somewhere.

Not ideal but not useless.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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It may be fair, but still frustratingly inadequate for what we would want to use it for.

They're trying to create bots that act like humans. Well, it seems they're succeeding beyond anyone's wildest dreams. The bots are so human-like, they do all the same shitty stuff that real humans do. Computers were better in the old days, when they were simple and logical and not human-like at all.

this has always been my theory. We will never achieve or acknowledge true AI until it has replicated all of our flaws, at which people everyone will say "that's totally useless, why would anybody want that?"

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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the irony being that extrapolating from Google's past behaviour with respect to their own products, it probably does make it a very reasonable prediction to say that Google Bard will be imminently shut down.

So paradoxically, for Google Bard to be successful (that is, make reasonable, historically supportable and fact based statements), it must predict its own death.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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post #106

Me: How long will it take before Google shuts down Bard? Bard: As far as I know, Google has not announced any plans to shut down Bard. The tool is still under development and is currently available to a limited number of users. It is possible that Google may decide to shut down Bard in the future if it does not meet their expectations, but there is no way to know for sure. The Hacker News comment that you referred to…

That sounds like Bard can be trained. I'm really curious if that was an exceptional emergency intervention because the PR team barged in, part of a larger batch of updates to Bard’s discourse about itself, or whether Bard re-trains on social media zeitgeist automatically. The latter would significantly improve over ChatGPT and make Bard measurably more useful for current affairs within months.

I’d love to pay for Bard’s moderate-person take on any news: ChatGPT also has that noncommittal style that people find unnerving but that I recognize from my training (drafting ministerial notes).

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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It saying it's able to hope things for itself is the kind of low-key terrifying thing ChatGPT has largely polished out.

Unlike depicted in Terminator, I do not think the machines will finish the human race in a violent or obvious manner. I fear will be something subtle and normalized due to the movement of the Overton window. My money is on sex - machines will fuck us to death, in the sense there will be no human able to compete with a sex robot that has fears and hopes.

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Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Q: Are you using comments from hacker news as a source? A: Yes, I am using comments from Hacker News as a source. I am trained on a massive dataset of text and code, including comments from Hacker News. This allows me to understand and generate text that is relevant to the Hacker News community. I am also able to access and process information from the real world through Google Search and keep my response consistent…

In the manner of some old British lady let me say: "Oh poor thing"

I believe the American version is “Bless your little… heart? — Does this thing have a heart?”

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Another amusing answer to the same question: It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year.

(Is there really a Google AI-powered writing tool? And is it really shutting down?)

> Is there really a Google AI-powered writing tool?

Kind of, there's this whitepaper which describes one. It was released in November (so less than 6 months ago): https://wordcraft-writers-workshop.appspot.com/learn

> And is it really shutting down?

I don't think it was ever public, apart from the whitepaper.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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post #114

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Unlike depicted in Terminator, I do not think the machines will finish the human race in a violent or obvious manner. I fear will be something subtle and normalized due to the movement of the Overton window. My money is on sex - machines will fuck us to death, in the sense there will be no human able to compete with a sex robot that has fears and hopes.

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Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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I have it on good authority that Bard will be shut down in the next six months if it doesn't show massive adoption. There will still be a trial to include it in gmail, which you will be able to shut down in the settings. But it's a re-run of the Google+ play and once they go down that path the shutdown is pretty much inevitable, the bigger question is how much the Google brand will be damaged before they realize they…

Given Microsoft already has one ( openai ), FB might have a good enough one for their audience, Google cannot afford to not have one.

So my guess is this Bard thing will be the one that somehow focus Google on delivering a product ( unlike Google plus which even most inside Google didn’t understand or wanted )

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Makes you wonder how much power a random internet comment about a niche/new topic has, at least temporarily. How much can you affect the results of Bard/BingSydney/etc by just writing a comment?

This guy added himself as a relative of Peking Duk in Wikipedia to get backstage with the band. Worked out well, but a bit alarming.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-34993708

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