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Post by breck »

eganist wrote: post #81
breck wrote: post #62

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Laws that make it illegal to use one's own property to share information. A correction of the copyright misnomer.

Got it, so you have a general aversion to copyright, the concept of intellectual property, and to an extent, the funding of knowledge work I'm assuming? You didn't carve out any exceptions, hence my assumption.

I have no aversion to `the funding of knowledge work`. (c)opywrong law is actually a huge tax on doing knowledge work for everyone except the 1%.

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Post by 0xf00ff00f »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

Yeah, I've been a technophile all my life but this is probably the first development I don't see as a net positive. All the use cases I've seen so far lead to a shittier world, and we probably won't even get sci-fi AGI in return.

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ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

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Post by bsaul »

pawelduda wrote: post #73

It looks like AI is having self-driving hype moment. It works neatly on simple roads while you keep your hands on the steering wheel and watch the car. There are wowzers but the whole Internet feels like ChatGPT is about to disrupt the very fabric of the Universe. Wonder what will be equivalent stories of careless people turning autopilot on and going to sleep while the car happily drives them off the highway.

I think the types of error chatgpt makes are indeed very similar to the ones a tesla autopilot does ( probably due to the nature of NN)

There is one big difference though : there are TONS of tasks chatgpt can do that don't require 100% accuracy to be useful and actually replace humans.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by adventured »

paxys wrote: post #107
adventured wrote: post #104

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It did. Netscape provided that aha moment - via the Web - in the mid to late 1990s. It shook the landscape at the time. If you lived through it, you know what I'm talking about. It was suddenly popping up everywhere, across all media, across the general population. It rocketed into the mainstream in the matter of a few years. Even if people didn't fully realize it was the Internet making it possible.

For a small group of enthusiasts, sure. Ask random people whether they know or have used Netscape Navigator and 95%+ of the responses will be "huh, what is that?" Now ask them about ChatGPT and you will see the difference.

No it wasn't a small group of enthusiasts. It went nation-wide in the 1990s (in the US, and most affluent nations), rapidly. One of the fastest product adoptions in world history.

In a middle of nowhere town that I grew up in, in Appalachia, it was common to use Netscape + dial-up access circa 1995-1999 (that included at home, at work and at school). Tens of millions of Americans rapidly adopted the Web due to Netscape making it easy to navigate and that all happened in about five years. The Web became a common story point of movies, TV, advertisements (@ everywhere campaigns, email, urls on movie screen ads, etc etc); it went from almost nowhere to everywhere in roughly 4-6 years.

A tiny fraction of the US and world populations have utilized ChatGPT. It would be equivalent to where the Web was at in terms of adoption in ~1994.

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Post by trekkie1024 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

Don’t forget AI driven relationships, ala what happened with Replika

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by trekkie1024 »

0xf00ff00f wrote: post #122
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

Yeah, I've been a technophile all my life but this is probably the first development I don't see as a net positive. All the use cases I've seen so far lead to a shittier world, and we probably won't even get sci-fi AGI in return.

Personally I think there’s a distinction to be made between generative AI and that of say, self driving cars. I’d definitely consider the latter a net positive for safety.

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Post by flashgordon »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

This was exactly what I was commenting the other day. I am still a technophile. It is not tech that worries me but the rich who will exploit and monopolize it to rule us more and that too more unscrupulously. May be it is time to actually find ways to not provide more data to train ai? Sure the worlds knowledge until 2022 got ai so far, that doesn't mean we cannot starve it going further if we act collectively?

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Post by bitwize »

0xf00ff00f wrote: post #122
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

Yeah, I've been a technophile all my life but this is probably the first development I don't see as a net positive. All the use cases I've seen so far lead to a shittier world, and we probably won't even get sci-fi AGI in return.

It's like how William Gibson moved away from cyberpunk, because all the shitty aspects of cyberpunk are in today's world with few, if any, of the cool bits.

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Post by mchaver »

xtracto wrote: post #87
capableweb wrote: post #43

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AI has been around for as long (or even longer, depending on how you see it) as the internet (counting the start of internet as the beginning of TCP/IP).

As someone who has done some research on AI in the last 25 years I find this current iteration amazing. 25 years ago when I was just starting my Bachelor's degree, AI was in a sort of "hiatus". The "great" AI procedures were mostly rule based systems. We read about MYCIN and similar expert systems and how they could do amazing stuff. We also read about AI generating new strategies for Backgammon. That was amazing. Bu…

I studied and researched NLP at the beginning of ML but before Deep Learning and it was pretty unimpressive as someone interested in Linguistics. Before I started I had some high expectations about what computers could do with human languages (I did not yet have a background in CS). I remember Neural Networks presented as some interesting approach that could solve some problems, but nothing impressive.

After graduating I did do some work on rule-based and ML translation engines, but I quickly got bored of it. I have been focused on application development since then. I didn't pay much attention to Deep Learning until 2022 came around and it surprised me. Now I am reviewing old notes and trying to catch up. 2023 is a very exciting year for computing and human language from an application side (I don't think LLMs give any insight into the way humans generate language).

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