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Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by serf »

amyjess wrote: post #59

This is worrying since I have accidently opened dev tools hundreds of times by clicking both mouse buttons when my cursor is near the bottom of the screen. I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal). One of my tics is that I mash both mouse buttons over empty space pretty frequently. I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons wh…

>I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons when I need to

I have severe and sporadic clonus in my mousin' arm. I do exactly the same thing when I need to keep my hand on the mouse.

Another thing that I have done off-and-on to accomodate certain software is to have my keyboard or mouse 'toggled' off and on with an autohotkey (or equivalent) script. If I need to rest or wait for something with my hands on the hardware then I toggle the thing off with an easy-to-reach hotkey of some sort until i'm ready to actually type/mouse.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by wolpoli »

deathanatos wrote: post #119
temp12192021 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://sindresorhus.com/devtools-detect/ https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect EDIT: doesn't seem to work if I have devtools as a separate window

… that incorrectly detects devtools as open, when it isn't (false positive), and fails to detect devtools when it is open in a separate window (false negative)… Yeah, as other posters hint at, vertical tabs. But it isn't just vertical tabs that'll trigger it, any sidebar will, including native/vanilla ones; AFAICT it's just looking at the client area being less than the window by some threshold.

It detects Microsoft Edge's Sidebar too, which opens on hover. It's going to create a lot of false positives.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by joeframbach »

iudqnolq wrote: post #82
djbusby wrote: post #32

When you open devtools, by default it will try to load source code maps for your JS and CSS. Very simple for a system to detect the request for the map file. If that's their vector turn off the autoloader and try from a clean IP.

Unfortunately console.log(foo) calls foo.toString() if and only if the console is open, and there is no way to disable this in Chrome or Firefox. Edit: You can redefine console.log to be a noop, but that's also detectable.

Theoretically you could also write a bookmarklet that could inspect or modify globals. Or a greasemonkey script.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by schappim »

schappim wrote: post #24

I used ChatGPT to get a refund from Mailchimp when their CKText editor failed to load on International Women's Day, preventing us from sending an email promotion that day. I opened the web inspector to show the library erroring when Mailchimp tried out a to load it, and also provided a screencast. I wasn't blocked, but I did receive a refund. So this must be a relatively new thing! If I were the OP, I would complain…

For the folks are that are asking for the prompt, I'm afraid conversation history is not working at the moment. I can however provide you with the output:

  We experienced a technical issue with Mailchimp's editor in production, which unfortunately prevented us from editing our campaign before the deadline. Our team used Chrome Version 110.0.5481.177 (Official Build) (arm64), but the editor kept failing to function properly.
  
  As a result, we suffered a significant financial loss due to missing the campaign deadline. In light of these circumstances, we kindly request a refund for our monthly fees, especially considering the recent fee increase.
  
  To provide evidence of the issue, we have included a video showcasing the broken Mailchimp editor and the corresponding JavaScript error from the text editor (ckeditor). The video is available here: https:/[URL to screen capture].mov
  
  We appreciate your assistance in resolving this matter and ensuring we receive the refund we are entitled to.
Asking GPT to reverse engineer the prompt: https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-08-34...

Further information: This interaction took place on March 7th (Sydney time).

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by schappim »

benatkin wrote: post #68
xkcd1963 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why those strange people at hackernews downvoted you. I guess using ChatGPT makes them scared.

It's a nice story but missing some details that the sibling comment to yours requested. I can haz prompt pls schappim?

I have added the output. Don't have exact prompt, but you could reverse engineer it. Eg: https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-08-34...

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by schappim »

skinnymuch wrote: post #30
schappim wrote: post #24

I used ChatGPT to get a refund from Mailchimp when their CKText editor failed to load on International Women's Day, preventing us from sending an email promotion that day. I opened the web inspector to show the library erroring when Mailchimp tried out a to load it, and also provided a screencast. I wasn't blocked, but I did receive a refund. So this must be a relatively new thing! If I were the OP, I would complain…

What do you ask chatgpt to get the necessary text to send

Sorry, don't have original, but you can reverse engineer it: https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-08-34...

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by humaniania »

jibe wrote: post #125

I got banned for hitting the back button. Their heuristics for blocking are shit. I’m literally logged in working on my list, hit back, and bang, banned. No weird plugins, no vpn, not even sending email.

Probably because from their side that behavior looks no different from certain types of attacks that they are familiar with and are actively working to block?

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by kxrm »

temp12192021 wrote: post #104
pupppet wrote: post #17

I had to use their silly drag-and-drop email builder because I'm handing the email off to be edited by a non-dev. I dropped in a "Code" module so I could add some custom CSS but because a style tag generates no space, that module is no longer accessible via the UI as there's nothing to click on. So I thought oh brother I'll just inject a couple br tags via the Inspector and then poof, I'm in the doghouse.

https://sindresorhus.com/devtools-detect/ https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect EDIT: doesn't seem to work if I have devtools as a separate window

I just turned on responsive mode in Firefox to fool it. Definitely not reliable.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by iudqnolq »

joeframbach wrote: post #123
iudqnolq wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately console.log(foo) calls foo.toString() if and only if the console is open, and there is no way to disable this in Chrome or Firefox. Edit: You can redefine console.log to be a noop, but that's also detectable.

Theoretically you could also write a bookmarklet that could inspect or modify globals. Or a greasemonkey script.

You could also fork Chrome.
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