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Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Post by rjh29 »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #97
rjh29 wrote: post #91

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Do you find wholegrain bread is more filling / less sleep-inducing than white? I don't find there to be a huge difference personally, especially compared to just reducing how much bread I eat. (Same with rice) Jarlsberg is delicious!

Absolutely. White bread spikes your blood sugar much faster because it's almost pure starch. The resulting drop can definitely be sleep inducing in my experience. Whole grain bread also has a lot more protein, which is also more filling. But can also be more sleep inducing. The topic of post-prandial somnolence is a complicated one indeed. All sorts of hormonal, blood sugar, psychoactives in some foods, factors invol…

I live in the UK and it's relatively cheap here, and very popular.

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Post by chasebank »

bluedino wrote: post #82
chasebank wrote: post #54

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The flour tortillas used for wraps and burritos are 300-500 calories. A small flour tortilla will be in the range you listed and a taco sized corn tortilla is around 50.

A Mission sandwich wrap is only 210, and there are more health-oriented brands out there. Even their low-carb line is only 80 calories. https://www.missionfoods.com/products/original-wraps/

Yes, but almost every wrap or burrito you buy at a restaurant are using wraps much larger than that. Perhaps I'm jaded living in southern California and having burritos the size of small logs.

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Post by petodo »

lamontcg wrote: post #110
tsimionescu wrote: post #33

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> Carbs are terrible for diets, don't satiate you and most people eat too many. I think most people's experience is precisely the opposite with regards too satiety - non-sugary carbs are the most important component for satiety. Bread, rice, potatoes - these are all commonly eaten to increase the feeling of fullness.

> Bread, rice, potatoes - these are all commonly eaten to increase the feeling of fullness. And then 2 hours later you're hungry again and craving the sugar hit you got from your last meal.

bread I (and I guess most Europeans) eat has hardly any sugar in it and if it has, you can't feel it at all, you should really check how bread is made

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Post by petodo »

WalterBright wrote: post #29
rjh29 wrote: post #5

> Twenty years later, a turkey sandwich contained about 820 calories. Not sure where they got those numbers from. Just for comparison - in England, where many people eat sandwiches every day, the range is more like 300-500 for a supermarket sandwich. The meat is processed, but chicken is a fairly popular option, and the bread is thinner and less sweet. Really the main takeaway is to reduce your bread. Carbs are terri…

Modern bread tastes like cake to me.

>Modern American bread tastes like cake to me.

FTFY

Ordinary bread taste nothing like cake and it doesn't even look like that infamous squared sliced American/Anglo-Saxon sweet sponge.

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Post by KerryJones »

leobabauta wrote: post #108
KerryJones wrote: post #24

This is strange to callout "saturated fats" as one of the primary issues, therefore "eat less bread". I generate, I agree that eating less bread is important (in general), specifically white bread, but the idea that "saturated fat" is bad is old and many studies in the last decade have actually reversed this opinion. The entire rise of keto diet is based on having as much saturated fat as possible, and to stay away f…

That book is pseudoscience. As are a lot of the books and videos promoting high fat diets. We don’t need to be afraid of fat, but replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats has been shown to lead to better heart health outcomes by gold standard studies and meta reviews.

I appreciate that you have an alternate opinion. I've gone through quite a few studies myself as well as other doctors say the contrary.

Rather than just "saying you're wrong, I'm wrong", can you the gold-standard studies you're claiming?

Also not sure what about the book is "pseudoscience", can you name specific aspects in that make it pseudoscience? (it actually doesn't recommend anything... so curious how it's pseudoscience)

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Post by mhh__ »

WalterBright wrote: post #29
rjh29 wrote: post #5

> Twenty years later, a turkey sandwich contained about 820 calories. Not sure where they got those numbers from. Just for comparison - in England, where many people eat sandwiches every day, the range is more like 300-500 for a supermarket sandwich. The meat is processed, but chicken is a fairly popular option, and the bread is thinner and less sweet. Really the main takeaway is to reduce your bread. Carbs are terri…

Modern bread tastes like cake to me.

The bread that Subway sell is legally classed as a cake in some places IIRC

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Post by spandrew »

rjh29 wrote: post #92
spandrew wrote: post #31

God I really hate these "war on x food" articles. CARBS MUST DIE. SUGAR MUST DIE. FAT MUST DIE. Well no, most adult bodies are pretty good at dealing with most of those. Bread is fine much like most other foods. If you eat 2500 calories a day of broccoli you will gain weight . From broccoli. American portion sizes being out of control is a problem. If you want to lose weight you can by all means order a sandwich. But…

> Well no, most adult bodies are pretty good at dealing with most of those. I mean, they aren't, that's why people get addicted to sugar and overeat ridiculously. Maybe the body can handle it but the brain can't, right? UK portion sizes are nothing like the US and our obesity rate still sucks. People are going to keep drinking sugary drinks and eating chocolate and chips and cookies, getting drunk every weekend and o…

The study is saying carbs or bread have an adverse influence on health. But that's false. It's creating anxiety about a loaf of bread that is patently idiotic.

Eat a reasonable amount of bread and your body is fine. The human body is really great at adapting dietarily in most healthy humans.

Weight is only one dimension of health.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Post by rjh29 »

spandrew wrote: post #127
rjh29 wrote: post #92

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> Well no, most adult bodies are pretty good at dealing with most of those. I mean, they aren't, that's why people get addicted to sugar and overeat ridiculously. Maybe the body can handle it but the brain can't, right? UK portion sizes are nothing like the US and our obesity rate still sucks. People are going to keep drinking sugary drinks and eating chocolate and chips and cookies, getting drunk every weekend and o…

The study is saying carbs or bread have an adverse influence on health. But that's false. It's creating anxiety about a loaf of bread that is patently idiotic. Eat a reasonable amount of bread and your body is fine. The human body is really great at adapting dietarily in most healthy humans. Weight is only one dimension of health.

The whole point is that carbs are addictive and most people demonstrably cannot eat a reasonable amount of carbs and just stop, similar to any other addiction.

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Post by zeruch »

rjh29 wrote: post #25
korroziya wrote: post #15

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Can't tell if this is sarcastic. Hispanic communities suffer from large amounts of obesity, some due to genetic issues, but diet is an overwhelming factor. A proper tortilla has three ingredients: flour, lard and salt. Not exactly a staple in a slimming diet.

Tortillas are low calorie (100-150 calories), most likely better for you than bread. I guess it depends how many you eat, and if they're fried.

I think one reason might be that most tortillas in supermarkets are processed to death as well. Most won't go to a solid Mexican grocer and pick up the good stuff (or it's not available) and to top that off, one thing I've noticed outside of California at least, people double wrap small amounts of food in tortilla, instead of loading up, so they eat 2-4x more tortillas than 'normal' (I'm biased because I am in California and grew up here, we understand tortilla physics and tensile parameters, YMMV).

Whether they are "better for you than bread" depends a whole hell of a lot on the bread, and how its made.

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