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Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

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Reminder that it looks like NordVPN does shady stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285988 Allegedly, they are using their customers as botnets to resell traffic from residential IPs, mostly for scraping, through their other business "Oxylabs".

They, and ALL VPN PROVIDERS, sell your DNS data, as well. That's the real business model.

It may be good opsec to act like they do, but that's a broad accusation without any evidence to support it.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#122
post #9

Since there is so much criticism here of NordVPN (in general, not for open-sourcing), what are the VPNs that people like?

Perfect Privacy. VPN chaining, setting so your IP address always changes to be the one closest to the server, no logs (audited), stored in ramdisk, unlimited connections and bandwidth because they don't even know who's connecting. Cons: it can be slow and have issues with disconnects sometimes.

Perfect privacy was at least in the past run by austrian neonazis: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2012-09/neona...

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#123
post #7

Reminder that it looks like NordVPN does shady stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285988 Allegedly, they are using their customers as botnets to resell traffic from residential IPs, mostly for scraping, through their other business "Oxylabs".

They, and ALL VPN PROVIDERS, sell your DNS data, as well. That's the real business model.

I can guarantee you Mullvad does not. I can't speak for anyone else though.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#124
post #27

So, should we, or should we not use a VPN? If most sites nowadays are on HTTPS, is vpn still needed for daily use I think the only reason now to use a vpn, is to login to a site as if from a different location, if the site blocks your region, or sensor some of its content Any other good reason to use a vpn

Torrenting without a VPN gets you a nasty letter pretty quickly. Someone at my IP address downloaded a single episode of The Last of Us with the VPN turned off, and I got an email that same day. No idea who would do such a horrible thing, but I think I saw some hacker-looking guy parked on the street stealing my wifi.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#125
post #27

So, should we, or should we not use a VPN? If most sites nowadays are on HTTPS, is vpn still needed for daily use I think the only reason now to use a vpn, is to login to a site as if from a different location, if the site blocks your region, or sensor some of its content Any other good reason to use a vpn

Correct me if I'm wrong, but origin and destination are still visible to your ISP and any snoopers on your network. The content is encrypted, but not the origin and destination of the request. I use Mullvad because they seem to be a company with insanely good ethics and it's only $5/month. Mozilla VPN uses the under the hood I think.

With a VPN your origin and destination are visible to your VPN provider. You're just moving the point where your metadata can be grabbed. I don't particularly trust my ISP, but I don't see a reason to trust any VPN provider any more.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#126
post #7

Reminder that it looks like NordVPN does shady stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285988 Allegedly, they are using their customers as botnets to resell traffic from residential IPs, mostly for scraping, through their other business "Oxylabs".

They, and ALL VPN PROVIDERS, sell your DNS data, as well. That's the real business model.

I don't believe Proton or Mullvad sell user data; both purposefully avoid collecting user data.

I believe NordVPN's open sourcing effort here (whether genuine or not) is motivated by pressure from Proton's open source.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#127
post #7

Reminder that it looks like NordVPN does shady stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285988 Allegedly, they are using their customers as botnets to resell traffic from residential IPs, mostly for scraping, through their other business "Oxylabs".

Digging into this on oxylabs site i found this document: https://oxylabs.io/Oxylabs_Residential_Proxy_Acquisition_Han... "Consenting and fully aware individuals become a part of a residential proxy network in return for a financial reward or some other benefit. When they choose to participate in our suppliers’ pools, they consent that a part of their internet traffic and a small amount of the device’s hardware resour…

I use NordVPN.

I don't opt in to anything like this (as far as I know). Looking at the preferences, I don't see something that sounds like it maps to the consent above. So ... I'm not really sure.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he now doing a lot of NordVPN ads himself in recent videos too? Turns out everyone has their price.

Thats not selling out. If he keeps the old video up and doesn't make the claim that NordVPN does things it doesn't actually do, then he's just advertising. There are legitimate uses for VPNs, they're just not the reasons these VPNs advertise (the the parent comment says).

He doesn't make false claims, but he also doesn't tell people they'll be used as a botnet. Feels like something that would be relevant to know.

Re: NordVPN library and client code open-sourced

#130
post #7

Reminder that it looks like NordVPN does shady stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29285988 Allegedly, they are using their customers as botnets to resell traffic from residential IPs, mostly for scraping, through their other business "Oxylabs".

They still offer OpenVPN connections ...
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