We need to start paying people to work full time on ecosystem restoration.
California cancels salmon fishing season
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Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a classic Tragedy Of The Commons. Establish ownable fishing rights per ocean areas, and regular greed will solve this problem.
We've heard similar arguments in post-soviet countries regarding farming land - private land owners will take better care of the land, will protect the wildlife, won't poison their own land, etc. Privatization didn't help ... small owners rent their land to the big ag, wildlife is still being decimated, land degradation accelerated, and now there are new deserts in central Europe (last week there was a sand storm in…
Just look at the state of forests in those countries... Parts of unique national parks razed to the ground... Land owners just want to get rich ASAP everywhere.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#123I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.
It can’t hurt, but I don’t think something like this is really going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures, ocean trawling, acidification … there’s lots and lots of stress on salmon population aside from anglers.
Luckily, the dams start coming down this year. https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/18/klamath-river-dam-rem...
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
"For example, Mitsubishi, a company which handles 35-40% of Japan’s imported Atlantic bluefin tuna, has been deep-freezing and stockpiling thousands of tons of bluefin each year, seeking to profit by selling bluefin at extremely steep prices in the future when the bluefin tuna is extinct or near extinction." https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/revealed-t... https://web.colby.edu/st297-global18/2019/01/2…
Won't this encourage fishermen to continue fishing bluefin at higher prices? What a dark future: "Bluefun tuna is extinct in the wild but you can still eat it from Mitsubishi" And then: "Today the last bluefin tuna in the history of the world was sold for $20M to a billionaire." Something like that...
$20 million is a steal!
One sold for $3.1 million back in 2019.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#125It's not just the draughts. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades. Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's. Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or endangered due to fishing…
Imagine someone just flying a helicopter through a forest scraping up the wildlife in huge nets, picking out the snails, and dropping the rest of what they scooped up to their death. Yet it happens all day every in the oceans and no one cares.
It used to be for every pound of wild caught shrimp caught, more than 4.5-5 pounds of other fish species were caught as bycatch and discarded dead. But now thanks to by catch reduction devices that is down up to 30%, so an optimistic 3.15-3.5 pound of bycatch.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
The law of supply and demand expects the marginal cost of each additional fish to be more expensive. What if it's not. What if it costs the same amount of money to catch fish until you catch the very last fish. Suddenly the price of fish jumps from $.03/fish to infinity. Some sort of quota system has to be implemented and enforced to not come to such an abrupt halt on a market like that. Fish is one thing, at least t…
I remember one of my undergrad economics professors going on a rant about how we will never run out of oil or tungsten or whatever because the marginal cost will increase gradually until we find alternative materials. It sounded very intelligent and convincing to me at 18, and sounds downright idiotic to me now.
Tuna can’t survive as a species with just a handful of tiny deposits scattered around the planet.
And if we found alternatives to Tuna, it doesn’t mean that other species like sharks and Orca can.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would love to see all commercial fishing banned as well for something like 10 years. Unfortunately there are other countries that would not respect the ban and even if not countries, individuals would ignore it as it would create a black market. I still think the idea should be discussed and maybe g20 nations come up with some agreements. Hopefully things like lab grown fish improve and maybe we can move people awa…
Lab grown fish are one thing, but simple fish farms already work really well, the issues are that the fish don't eat a natural diet and are sicker and less healthy to eat. Maybe that's an easier problem to solve than growing fish meat in a lab.
Farmed fish are fed pellets made of wild caught fish though.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes me ashamed to be human. Reading stuff like that, and thinking about what we do to cows, sheep, lambs, chickens, etc, it dawned on me a while ago that humans have no right to treat animals like they're just a bunch of cells to be treated however we want, like a serial killer treats their victims. But that animals are fellow beings, a lot like us in many ways. I didn't want pain, or someone to kill me, so I fi…
If someone said I could live my life and be happy but at the end I have to die or not live at all I am going to choose life. The same is true for the animals I raise. They get to have a very peaceful life where they are spoiled. They get heat in the winter, fresh water daily, the correct amount of calories each day, treats which they love like fresh picked berries and other foods they love, protection from predators,…
All those things could presumably be said about Scandinavian prisons but anyone would still prefer freedom ;)
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#129It's not just the draughts. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades. Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's. Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or endangered due to fishing…
Imagine someone just flying a helicopter through a forest scraping up the wildlife in huge nets, picking out the snails, and dropping the rest of what they scooped up to their death. Yet it happens all day every in the oceans and no one cares. It used to be for every pound of wild caught shrimp caught, more than 4.5-5 pounds of other fish species were caught as bycatch and discarded dead. But now thanks to by catch r…
We’ve already destroyed a third of Earths forests, and most grassland has been converted to agriculture. We didn’t use nets, but the result has been the same.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#130I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.
It can’t hurt, but I don’t think something like this is really going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures, ocean trawling, acidification … there’s lots and lots of stress on salmon population aside from anglers.
To add to the doom and gloom.
https://www.science.org/content/article/common-tire-chemical...