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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Volundr » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:08 PM UTC

hwillis wrote: post #15

eetus wrote: post #4

I'm sure that some restaurants could use a faster dishwasher.

Having washed dishes for a while, actually no. A commercial dishwasher only takes ~2 minutes to cycle and dry. They run hot as all fuck. It's the people like me you wanted to be faster. Commercial dishwashers are not as good at getting food off plates. Any crap left on the plate will get spread on everything else, so you have to pre-wash everything first. You should really do it at home too, but most of the reason a…

My dishwasher manual specifically tells me not to pre-rinse.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jaclaz » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:09 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #107

jaclaz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>From the manual Out of curiosity, how do you know the make/model of goblinux's dishwasher?

It's basically the same for all Bosch models

I see, I thought there were tens of different models with different features/interfaces/settings/whatever.

At least then Bosch is coherent.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

To be fair, we needed to do two round of dishwasher yesterday and I wished we had a faster one (we were out of dishes and stuff). Yes we could have washed by hand but it was one of those days where we didn't want to do anything...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by bradleyjg » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:20 PM UTC

krisroadruck wrote: post #119

bradleyjg wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about industrial agriculture?

That's a whole other animal. I mean why is California always dealing with water shortages but still growing almonds? My comments here are talking about residential stuff. I think I mentioned above that commercial detergents also still have phosphates. The whole 2 sets of rules thing is pretty common in the US shrug

Well but this is my point. I don’t know the ratios resident/industrial for phosphates, it was an honest question. But for water, I do know the numbers. Indoor residential use isn’t even a rounding error. So why are Californians taking crappy showers with low flow showers when it doesn’t even make any difference?

If we really want to solve these problems and not just feel good about ourselves we should have a different set of policies.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by krisroadruck » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

bradleyjg wrote: post #124

krisroadruck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a whole other animal. I mean why is California always dealing with water shortages but still growing almonds? My comments here are talking about residential stuff. I think I mentioned above that commercial detergents also still have phosphates. The whole 2 sets of rules thing is pretty common in the US shrug

Well but this is my point. I don’t know the ratios resident/industrial for phosphates, it was an honest question. But for water, I do know the numbers. Indoor residential use isn’t even a rounding error. So why are Californians taking crappy showers with low flow showers when it doesn’t even make any difference? If we really want to solve these problems and not just feel good about ourselves we should have a differen…

I think we are kind of on the same side of this particular argument :-)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by karmakaze » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:33 PM UTC

The truth is that products are made to make money for the business first and meet customer need/wants second.

For the dishwasher example, most dishwashers are far too noisy. Unless you live in a large place with many rooms, it will matter. The problem is that quiet isn't a highly visible/marketable and cheaply made feature, so isn't prioritized. After purchase, many would want a quieter dishwasher but very few will bother to uninstall/return/exchange it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by karmakaze » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 3:46 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #91

After nearly destroying a General Electric we got a Kitchen Aid dishwasher. Quiet, works well, and quick. I've never given my dishwasher much thought. If it cleans then it works. Right?

Quiet is my #1 requirement for dishwashers. I've used Kitchen Aid, Miele, and Bosch and wouldn't buy a noisy one after not hearing these.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by louison11 » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 4:24 PM UTC

karmakaze wrote: post #126

The truth is that products are made to make money for the business first and meet customer need/wants second. For the dishwasher example, most dishwashers are far too noisy. Unless you live in a large place with many rooms, it will matter. The problem is that quiet isn't a highly visible/marketable and cheaply made feature, so isn't prioritized. After purchase, many would want a quieter dishwasher but very few will b…

Most businesses make money by answering customer needs. I actually believe that when shopping for kitchen appliances recently, dishwashers had a sticker advertising noise levels.

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Post by NikolaNovak » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #53

NikolaNovak wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happens frequently ; I just take it out and resume the cycle for the rest.

Always feels like it’s releasing a soapy steam cloud into my face

It does; but it still not a particularly big deal to retrieve that one clean glass or plate if much needed :-)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by fallinghawks » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 4:35 PM UTC

expertentipp wrote: post #24

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

Does it have a digital clock? Adjusting the bloody clocks on every appliance twice a year is such fun.

I kinda wish mine had a clock (though I agree it's a pain having to adjust for DST). The power company has a lower rate after 9pm so I'd love to be able to set the dishwasher start time. Instead mine had a start delay, which technically works but is just more klunky.