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Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its also worth mentioning that there are express connections between big cities that are relatively close. For example, there is a sprinter connection between Nürnberg and Munich that takes about 90 minutes using a regional train instead of the 60 minutes it would take with an ICE.

Same for Dresden-Leipzig. I usually take the ICE since I have a Bahncard 100. In addition to the real time saved, it also feels a lot faster if you're not stopping every 5 minutes.

And you get a different audience. I'm trying to not go down the Musk road of considering sharing an enclosure with random strangers completely unacceptable (I do actually enjoy that part of public transit, even if individual experiences are hardly ever positives in isolation, the whole, in some ways is so much better than the sum of its parts!), but on trains intended for long distance there's just less of a school bus vibe. I wonder if we might see a return of separate premium fare seating?

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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post #24
post #10

By way of comparison, 5 days of all-day, all-zone tickets in Hamburg currently costs €91, so this is a YUGE saving. I still don't want to travel by train in Germany, because the service right now, quite bluntly, is shit. Delays, overcrowding, poor communication.

I was travelling this week three times in Germany with long-distance trains. No problem. Both of the ICEs I had were very modern. Four of the regional trans were modern. One train was older. > I still don't want to travel by train in Germany, because the service right now, quite bluntly, is shit. Delays, overcrowding, poor communication. Many times it is not a problem.

It's not consistent across the entire country, sure, but my wife had difficulty on trips to Munich and Graz in the last few weeks, my nephew on his trip from Berlin to Hamburg last weekend and don't get me started on trying to get to Brussels or even the local closures in Hamburg of the S-Bahn U-Bahn. The issue is as much comms as it Engineering work.

They know they're doing engineering work, but do they allow for it? No. The bus goes, oh I can't go any further, all passengers get out and continue on the S-Bahn. Walk into S-Bahn, platforms all closed.

Arrive at HBF, 15 minute delay. Keeps changing. Keeps going up. No reasons given.

Journey to X, shortly before arrival, oh, the station is shut we're going to stop early. No notice in order to help friends and relatives reorganize.

Fuck me, the UK is bad at a lot of things with public transport, but it is better coordinated than this. The roads are the same, random closures, no diversions set up, no planning with other closures to check they're not trapping people inside loops.

It's the focus on cost rather than correctness that is frustrating.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it indeed is hardly possible. See: https://www.openrailwaymap.org/

That is an amazing resource!! Thanks for sharing!

It truely is. I found it years ago and have used the data in various projects since then. :)

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

#124
post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

If you choose to live in a remote place, you'll also have to bear the costs.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Traveling short, local trips via public transport most places in Europe is getting very economical, while I feel traveling distances outside those local zones is getting prohibitively expensive compared to air travel. I used to be able to get from my home in western France to Amsterdam via trains for much less than flying or driving, whereas last fall I priced train tickets and it was going to run me over 350€ round…

Prices can be all over the place.

My cheapest ever flight was either £9.99 (or €9.99?) for a one way from Berlin to London Gatwick, the train onward from Gatwick to Havant cost twice that.

I've also had round-trip air tickets on the same route for about 300.

Also, at the start of December I had a week long trip to the UK, and my flight back from Stansted was cancelled while I was on the runway and the first replacement flight Ryanair's website listed was a week later, so (after further nonsense I will not repeat here) I took the train to Portsmouth, the ferry to Cean, and then a train to Berlin. The combined cost of all of those and the hotel in Cean was about a third the cost of any earlier direct flight from any airline listed on Skyscanner.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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post #105

> But the Deutschlandticket is not the end of the story: to make it still more attractive, German Rail is also planning to introduce more modern and faster trains. According to the Federal Ministry of Transport, this will create almost 20,000 new seats on long-distance services. The mentioned trains are ICE long-distance trains. Exactly those that are not included in the ticket the article is about. It does not make…

It’s a very confusingly written sentence, but I believe the “it” is meant to refer to “German Rail” and not the Deutschlandticket.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Sadly, this will likely not provide much incentives for infrastructure improvements. Local commuter trains around here have deteriorated substantially over the past decades. The trains have become dirty and unreliable. More passengers will only stress the infrastructure more, so it will become even less attractive.

Maybe it would be wiser to spur the competition between various commuting alternatives such as shared cars and buses, and thereby putting pressure on the railway operators to improve their infrastructure, offering it at a more reasonable price and with more transparent pricing schemes.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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post #91

Let's see if this will have a noticeable impact on university enrollments. Personally, I know a few people who re-enrolled after finishing university, including one person who even got a PhD, solely to get the ticket for their full-time job. It would not surprise me if universities experience a significant drop in enrollment due to this issue, especially at larger universities. An article from 2019 estimates that at…

> 9k out of 36k students may enroll without any academic intention.

but this isn't just because of the "semester ticket" students get, at least where I live the ticket is the least relevant reason of multiple ones why someone might sign up for university.

Other reasons include:

- healthy insurance/tax, especially until you are 25(??) you can be health insured through your parents, even afterwards the health insurance flat rate can be nice in some situations. And the tax model of student side jobs is nice too, through with some long term drawbacks people tend to overlook

- not being officially unemployed, when spending a year for yourself e.g. traveling the world

- having an excuse for your family and similar when you have absolutely no idea what you want from live

- forcing parents in broken families to pay child support longer

- using healthy insurance and tax of students to (pre-) bootstrap a one man self employment company and try out various side jobs to find yourself

- starting with the intend to study but then losing that intent due to you realizing that is not what you want to do and not finding a way forward for year or more

- abusing BAföG

- officially studing one topic "for fun, taxes, health, etc." while waiting for a spot in the study track you care for to open up, (that was a thing I have seen quite often)

- study for fun for people which don't need to work and a bored (thats how sometimes 60+ year old people appear in as students).

As a side note, in my experience most, nearly all times, when people sign up for a study track without the intention to get a Bachelor/Master they sign up for tracks which always have free "left over" spots each semester. On one hand because this makes it nearly guaranteed they get in, on the other hand because it would be pretty shitty if you prevent people which want to study from getting a spot when you have no intent to study.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

#129
post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

#130
post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're waiting in the cold for a bus that keeps on getting more and more delayed because of weather. My personal record so far was nearly an hour with busses promised but then suddenly vanishing from the app.

Compared to this, the corresponding car trip takes about 10 minutes. I never sat in heavy traffic because you can easily circumvent that in a car. However, I have been stuck in a bus sitting in a traffic jam for more than 30 minutes on many occasions. The bus can't change it's course and the bus drivers don't like letting you exit anywhere that isn't a bus stop. But at least you can read while your colleagues have already been home for a while.

Most people overlook that travel to and from stops and waiting for a connecting bus can add up significantly. And then there are all those things that time tables won't tell you.

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