Sounds like the real villains are the credit card companies who have the market power to enforce fees on cancelled payments. They are so entrenched no one is even questioning their position anymore. Visa and Mastercard are massive drains on our economy - it's ridiculous how unquestioningly their 3% tax on commerce is accepted.
Cash still works and if you can get enough people to go back to using it then credit cards will have to change or be more ripe for disruption.
Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
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Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
The American system is too deeply tied to capital to have a policy that actually helps citizens and small businesses get passed. The second a government official proposed something like this, the espionage arms of the credit card corporations would come down so hard on them and arrange for them to fail their next appointment (through "lobbying")
CC companies are genius. They charge companies 3% -> companies embed that 3% in their prices -> customers get a 1% refund from CC companies. - If you do NOT use a CC, you effectively pay _more for CC users_ (3%!). - CC companies make the customer feel like they have a benefit, while in fact, they are net payers too (2%). - They have access to all (private) data of the customer, which is extremely powerful in this age…
Are the only ones that get it so content with their 1-2% pieces of silver that they're fine in trading the wellbeing of the less fortunate?
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Australia, this is regulated and they can charge no more than 1.5%. https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/pricing/card-surcharges This could be changed overnight with 1 piece of legislation.
That article is about businesses charging excessive surcharges to customers (e.g. Jetstar back in the day charging 5% extra for Visa/MasterCard, when it only cost them 0.7%). There are no laws against high processing fees; Afterpay takes around 8% for example.
[0] https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/visa-undertakes-to-add...
[1] https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/mastercard-in-court-fo...
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#124Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Majority of returns are for BS reasons, regardless of how quality your listings and products are. "Item Defective" - Unopened factory sealed, tamper-proof blister pack. "Not Received In Time" - Delivered 3 days ahead of schedule. "Too Small" - Item clearly says in multiple places, and even demonstrates in images, the item is 2mm in diameter. The result? Everyone pays more for the products so we can support a few bad…
Another big one is clothing. Order two sizes and send the one back that doesn't fit.
And... if you price shop the shoes, Zappos is rarely-if-ever the cheapest. You pay for that "service"...
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#126Sounds like the real villains are the credit card companies who have the market power to enforce fees on cancelled payments. They are so entrenched no one is even questioning their position anymore. Visa and Mastercard are massive drains on our economy - it's ridiculous how unquestioningly their 3% tax on commerce is accepted.
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Australia, this is regulated and they can charge no more than 1.5%. https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/pricing/card-surcharges This could be changed overnight with 1 piece of legislation.
The American system is too deeply tied to capital to have a policy that actually helps citizens and small businesses get passed. The second a government official proposed something like this, the espionage arms of the credit card corporations would come down so hard on them and arrange for them to fail their next appointment (through "lobbying")
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#128Sounds like the real villains are the credit card companies who have the market power to enforce fees on cancelled payments. They are so entrenched no one is even questioning their position anymore. Visa and Mastercard are massive drains on our economy - it's ridiculous how unquestioningly their 3% tax on commerce is accepted.
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
CC companies are genius. They charge companies 3% -> companies embed that 3% in their prices -> customers get a 1% refund from CC companies. - If you do NOT use a CC, you effectively pay _more for CC users_ (3%!). - CC companies make the customer feel like they have a benefit, while in fact, they are net payers too (2%). - They have access to all (private) data of the customer, which is extremely powerful in this age…
I honestly have no idea how the hell the US public is still deluding itself to not make this illegal. Are the only ones that get it so content with their 1-2% pieces of silver that they're fine in trading the wellbeing of the less fortunate?
Re: Square to no longer return processing fees when buyers are issued a refund
#130Sounds like the real villains are the credit card companies who have the market power to enforce fees on cancelled payments. They are so entrenched no one is even questioning their position anymore. Visa and Mastercard are massive drains on our economy - it's ridiculous how unquestioningly their 3% tax on commerce is accepted.
I don’t know if it’s worth 3% but the convenience of not having to have and handle cash is worth something, for both buyers and merchants.