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Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by hcurtiss »

kube-system wrote: post #34
hcurtiss wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that a dozen times and if other people pick up an old thread you participated in by iMessage -- you don't even see the message. It's just lost to the ether! You have no control over how those other people group text, and unless they pick up a new green bubble group text, you're just left out. Absolutely infuriating. Because so much of my extended family is on iPhone/iMessage, this issue -- alone -- has kep…

The feature in this article won't be of any use to you if you don't have an iPhone. > The new version of Phone Link for Windows uses Bluetooth to link a user’s iPhone to their Windows PC. It then “passes commands and messages” to the Messages app on that paired iPhone.

If I didn't have an iPhone, I wouldn't need it. I do have an iPhone for the reasons mentioned above, and I'm excited to have this new tool as a way of texting from my work Windows PC. While I would like to use a Pixel phone, I cannot escape iMessage.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by [deleted] »

this_user wrote: post #30
tannhaeuser wrote: post #13

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> the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services Speak for yourself. I'm not in the US and still prefer SMS, simply because you can port over your contacts and don't have to share them with shady businesses on a fscking platform, for freaking text messages, something we already did 30 years ago (not counting emails almost double as old).

So you'd rather pay extra to send completely unencrypted messages?

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by Longhanks »

foepys wrote: post #101
bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

This will improve once the EU's Digital Markets Act takes full effect on 2024-03-06 and will force Apple to cooperate with other chat providers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act

Ah, just like the famous EU cookie policy suddenly made the internet a better place, right?

Just like websites, which have become a pain in the ass, making the opt-out just painful enough so that 99% of users just click "track me anyway", this will have exactly zero positive influence. The EU just doesn’t "get" the internet.

Even worse, most websites now even have explicit consent to actually track visitors.

Apple is surely going to find the point of where they comply with the law, but create so much friction, that nothing changes at all.

Except that smaller services will have a very hard time complying with the EU bureaucracy (same as the GPDR, with has been nothing but a PITA for small- to medium sized businesses).

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Post by mrguyorama »

acomjean wrote: post #47
downrightmike wrote: post #43

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SMS is an old and dated protocol that we strangely use for security 2FA too. There needs to be an updated protocol, there is one in the works, but the carriers AT&T and it's spawn, are really trying to set it up so they can nickel and dime users.

I'm starting to get SMS spam.. (my favorite from banks I don't have an account at..) I hate being nickel and dimed, but if this is one case where if sending me a message cost a few cents, and it ends up stopping SMS spam, it might be worth it.. Back when I stated using a phone, we used to have to pay for texts...

I think most companies DO have to pay per message for texting phones, I know we do. Largely companies consider it worth it because Americans spend a ton on marketing and it largely works on us.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by Longhanks »

015a wrote: post #64
rootusrootus wrote: post #55

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This is mostly a Tesla problem. Almost every other car produced today supports CarPlay and Android Auto. It is a regular source of frustration for me when I'm driving our Model 3, sending/receiving text messages using the Tesla voice interface is an exercise in frustration.

Refusing to implement a closed-box proprietary connection like CarPlay, and experiencing a degradation of service because the service provider limits the capabilities of cheaper, simpler, and more open protocols, isn't a Tesla problem; its an Apple problem. Imagine if Google suddenly started forcing people to use the Gmail app to send multi-recipient emails, such that the Apple Mail app over IMAP could only send to o…

Maybe, perhaps Tesla‘s infotainment is actually usable, I haven’t touched a Tesla, so I can’t tell.

But for all infotainment systems I have touched, which is most VW, BMW, Mercedes and Audi systems, CarPlay is a godsend, and I refuse to even consider recommending any car that does not ship it.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by mrguyorama »

TSUTiger wrote: post #103
mostlysimilar wrote: post #74

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It's equally frustrating for iPhone users. iMessage sends and receives and full, beautiful quality. Meanwhile an Android user will send a photo and it comes through with about 10 pixels total. Don't even bother with video it's not worth trying, impossible to watch.

just wanna point out here, there are limitations to the size/length of videos and even the pictures sometimes get downscaled to the other imessage user

But apple seemingly purposely sends 100x100 px videos to non iMessage contacts. The phone can handle more. My step mom once sent me 50 full pictures in one legacy EMS message. It worked just fine. Apple is purposely handicapping things and I don't believe for a single second any of their excuses. The rest of the phone industry has no problem texting videos and pictures.

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Post by snotrockets »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #31
reaperducer wrote: post #21

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It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

I think the real reason is that in the early 2000s, pre-iPhone, texting was ridiculously expensive in the US and much cheaper in the rest of the world. Also, Americans were using awful phones while the RoW was using much better phones like Nokias thst even in their non-communicator series made texting far easier thanks to stuff like T9. So the rest of the world used SMS and texting far more than Americans Pre-smartph…

> When smartphones came out and WhatsApp was released, the RoW was far more willing to pay the dollars needed to buy WhatsApp (it wasn’t free before FB bought it) because they would easily save on their low but still not free SMS charges.

The dollar was often waived. They were never serious about charging non-business users.

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Post by frosted-flakes »

snehk wrote: post #19
tannhaeuser wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services Speak for yourself. I'm not in the US and still prefer SMS, simply because you can port over your contacts and don't have to share them with shady businesses on a fscking platform, for freaking text messages, something we already did 30 years ago (not counting emails almost double as old).

What country are you from where SMS messaging is more popular than apps?

Canada

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by frosted-flakes »

kube-system wrote: post #34
hcurtiss wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that a dozen times and if other people pick up an old thread you participated in by iMessage -- you don't even see the message. It's just lost to the ether! You have no control over how those other people group text, and unless they pick up a new green bubble group text, you're just left out. Absolutely infuriating. Because so much of my extended family is on iPhone/iMessage, this issue -- alone -- has kep…

The feature in this article won't be of any use to you if you don't have an iPhone. > The new version of Phone Link for Windows uses Bluetooth to link a user’s iPhone to their Windows PC. It then “passes commands and messages” to the Messages app on that paired iPhone.

I see no reason why that wouldn't work with any phone, even an old BlackBerry. It's just using standard Bluetooth protocols.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by kube-system »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #129
kube-system wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feature in this article won't be of any use to you if you don't have an iPhone. > The new version of Phone Link for Windows uses Bluetooth to link a user’s iPhone to their Windows PC. It then “passes commands and messages” to the Messages app on that paired iPhone.

I see no reason why that wouldn't work with any phone, even an old BlackBerry. It's just using standard Bluetooth protocols.

The 'participating in iMessage' part doesn't work on any phone.
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