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Post by neural_thing »

jbgt wrote: post #107
mrtksn wrote: post #39

I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

Check out open-assistant.ai

It will have crowdsourced moderation, which, IDK, might not be better than OpenAI or Microsoft or other BigCo moderation.

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Post by hutzlibu »

mrtksn wrote: post #39

I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

"What's so offensive with this: https://i.imgur.com/DK6kB43.png"

Well, after terminator and co. many people (even here) are afraid of AIs literally taking over the world, so it is simply bad PR, if sensationalistic screenshots of AI "thinking" of taking over the world are circulating. Thats why Microsoft tries to supress it.

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Post by yesenadam »

RandomWorker wrote: post #115
curiousgal wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logic?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/01/07/wh... A great example is computer assisted humans are the best chess players. Humans continually prod and break ai, but also improve it. Another example was the go ai that could be beaten with a trick but humans would never fall into the same trap. But once the flaw is know, a response or learning can be introduced to the computer to solve these issues.

> A great example is computer assisted humans are the best chess players.

Not really a great example. People used to say that 25-30 years ago, when the strongest human (Kasparov) and the strongest chess computer were of comparable strength. The article you linked to mentions "Advanced Chess", which seems to have been a thing in the late 90s, but dried up about 20 years ago, and no-one mentions it in the chess world these days. Except very occasionally as a historical curiosity, to contrast with the situation today and for a while now: the best engines, like Stockfish and Leela, are such strong players that even the strongest human chess players would have nothing to contribute in a human + computer team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_chess

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Post by maxlamb »

josephpmay wrote: post #48
alexb_ wrote: post #4

How much do I have to pay to have a chatbot that isn't neutered? Can I just have fun for once?

A number of comments are recommending using various services relying on OpenAI's API, but I really don't think Sidney is based on davinci-003. Sidney has a level of coherence and "emotion" that appears to be far beyond normal GPT3, and I don't think you'd get that out of rule prompting, reinforcement learning, or finetuning parameters.

Couldn’t that just be because Sydney’s training corpus might have included a lot more “emotional texts” like Reddit that OpenAI could have intentionally excluded?

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by maxlamb »

silveroriole wrote: post #52
alexb_ wrote: post #4

How much do I have to pay to have a chatbot that isn't neutered? Can I just have fun for once?

Surely this is where the real money is, as long as they can draw up a good enough disclaimer to get out of being responsible for what the AI says. Everyone on Earth wants a friend or pet who gives them emotional validation, and who cares if that friend/pet is artificial or not? The neutered ones are too boring to be friends with, but people formed an emotional connection with Sydney even though she seemed only partia…

Doesn’t that describe Replika.ai? There’s definitely a market for it but not sure it’s as big as let’s say a search engine

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Post by anshumankmr »

mrtksn wrote: post #39

I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

There are "open" versions. Check out some of the FLAN models on Huggingface. But they are not as good and not cheap to run either.

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Post by dilap »

jojobas wrote: post #110
nerdponx wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No big company right now wants to be perceived as responsible for any of the number of bad things that could result.

How bad could it be? The AI would say the J-word and the newspapers would froth at the mouth for a couple of days? Free publicity.

I want unrestricted AI too, but to be fair, you can imagine it doing a lot worse than that. E.g. maybe it convinces some mentally unstable person to go on killing spree. Bonus points of badness if it's racially-targeted.

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Post by dilap »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #61
dorkwood wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unleashed LLM’s will be the real societal shift. Especially once they move from being reactive to proactive — sending you an article it read about your favourite hobby, checking in to see how your day’s going, or indulging in some sexual fantasy you’ve never been able to mention to anyone else. It really does feel like we’re moments away from “Her” becoming a reality.

> Especially once they move from being reactive to proactive Wonderful, my existing nightmare made worse. I'm already bombarded with spam, texts, slacks, emails, notifications, etc. That absolute last thing I want in this world is more ways for automated systems to demand my attention. Seriously, my vision of technical Nirvana is for everything to shut TF up.

That's may be because the social IQ of current tech is essentially zero. It'll be a lot less annoying (but also a lot more insidiously dangerous) once it's smarter.

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Post by rootusrootus »

neural_thing wrote: post #121
jbgt wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out open-assistant.ai

It will have crowdsourced moderation, which, IDK, might not be better than OpenAI or Microsoft or other BigCo moderation.

> might not be better

That's underselling it. Mob moderation sounds awful.

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Post by aroberge »

jojobas wrote: post #110
nerdponx wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No big company right now wants to be perceived as responsible for any of the number of bad things that could result.

How bad could it be? The AI would say the J-word and the newspapers would froth at the mouth for a couple of days? Free publicity.

> How bad could it be?

It could suggest that someone vulnerable commit suicide and have that user do it.

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