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Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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9 bucks per developer isn’t that much. I getting a developer to be 5 percent faster is a huge gain for just 9 dollars.

Certainly for SV salaries. But $19/month per developer in addition to already existing cost can make a difference for regions with lower salaries.

I agree. I can see these AI assistants becoming a game changer and eventually a requirement to keeping up, but the costs will be prohibitive for engineers in many regions.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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If you want to make a conversation awkward, ask your account team about the indemnification for the AI’s potential copyright violations.

"Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 month…

The word “patent” is missing and $500k is nothing. And how are you going to prove that you didn’t modify whatever was suggested by the AI?

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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"Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 month…

The word “patent” is missing and $500k is nothing. And how are you going to prove that you didn’t modify whatever was suggested by the AI?

1. The word "patent" is there

2. By rerunning the network for the same input

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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You make it sound like Copilot is just copy-pasting something from a single repo. The code Copilot generates for me is extremely specific to my application. It understands the context, my code style and what I'm trying to do. The result looks like my own code and is utilizing the already existing parts of my application. The code it writes for me solves problems that you cannot find a standard solution for anywhere a…

> You make it sound like Copilot is just copy-pasting something from a single repo. Not at all. I'm saying it's derived from large amounts of code, without respecting the licenses on that code. > How Copilot is trained is an issue but answering the question "where did this code come from and what license is it under" would be impossible. Then it shouldn't exist outside of demos of what could exist in the future if th…

How is training on public source code a legal problem? Can you provide some links for that claim?

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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What's the benefit of using copilot over a package manager? Both help you reuse code that's already been written, but using packages gives you updates, explicit dependency tracking, documentation, etc.

it's not about reusing code, it's about generating code, ie, autocomplete, except the generator trys to recognize what you are trying to / most probably writing and suggests it. Great for boilerplate type code.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Sadly, "simple license management" here just refers to "who in your organization has a license to use this tool", rather than "where did this code come from and what license is it under". This tool remains the equivalent of money laundering for violation of Open Source licenses (or software licenses in general).

I open source my code specifically so that it can be re-used, ideally even for cases like this. To me, software freedom is the ability for it to be used for effectively any useful purpose, so that others don't have to do the same work again. I understand that some folks don't believe the same thing, and use copyleft licenses so that their code can't be re-used in a closed way, and that's fair. Github shouldn't be tra…

Do you license your code under a license that doesn't require any form of attribution or preservation of copyright notices? (Even permissive Open Source licenses typically do require that.)

If you do, then by all means they're welcome to use it without attribution or preservation of copyright notices, per the terms of the license you used.

But for all the Open Source code, even permissive Open Source code, that does require attribution or preservation of copyright notices, that's still a license violation. People don't often think of permissive Open Source licenses as something that can be violated, but they absolutely can be.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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haha we'll have it out polished in the next week or so :P

That plus lisp / clojure on the roadmap is exciting :) I'll definitely give it a try when it comes out. The thing that slows me down is that I actually don't like to get visual feedback while I'm typing. I'm curious if codeium has a good way to compromise there

with copilot.el, i flip it on only when i’m doing something repetitious where i know it’s likely to give me a useful suggestion. then i flip it off. works well for me
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