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Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #74

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Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

It's not inconceivable, but it's weird that everybody is doing it at the same time even when the company is perfectly healthy.

Is it weird at all given the market, inflation, and debt?

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #87
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

It could be, but that all the big companies come to the same conclusion at the same time is unlikely to be a coincidence.

Coincidence = market conditions in this case probably.

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #85
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

It's not inconceivable, but it's weird that everybody is doing it at the same time even when the company is perfectly healthy.

It could be because they're all planning for market conditions predicted by the same forecasts.

Also if your strategy is to hire as many engineers as you can possibly afford so that you can keep up with or beat the competition, then if the competition starts downsizing it means you can do the same, and maybe you see an economic contraction as a bigger risk.

Conjecture of course, but plausible I think.

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #24

I really get the feeling that many companies are just blindly doing whatever other companies do. One starts large layoffs, and suddenly everybody is doing it. At other times, when one goes on a hiring spree, they all go. One tries to reduce salaries, they all do. One pays enormous bonuses, and they all do. It's like CEOs aren't really thinking for themselves, just copying whatever the market does.

I'm constantly amazed at how people fail to see that in B2B if your clients are downsizing, well, you should expect less money coming your way. Yes, there is a "follow on effect" as one should expect.

If Confluent was building out new product features and "investing in growth" hoping to sell those features to expand customer uptake, should they just blindly keep going?

Sure, there are probably some 20 something CEOs right now running startups that are like OMG I guess we should lay off too, but it's such a naive take.

CEOs can't just will the market to bear whatever their vision is, they have to "make something people want". And if there are less people to sell to, well, you're gonna make less money...

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #55

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The CEO answers to the board, and the board is usually of the type to at least ask the question "Everyone is jumping off a bridge, why aren't we?" And sadly the easiest answer is "we ARE jumping off the bridge, see?"

Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

Some businesses, sure. Some of the big tech companies that are doing layoffs though (like Google) are just fine financially, and are losing two decades' worth of employee morale and goodwill for a temporary stock bump that is already dissipating. Memegen is a firestorm, and everyone is now talking about the importance of being on safe projects and staying away from experimental/unproven ones. That's going to hurt Google's prospects of launching anything else revolutionary even further.

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

#127
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

Yes. They never are. A recent study investigated this and neither stock price nor productivity nor profitability improved. All mass layoffs do is crater employee morale. And yes, it's a "others are jumping into the lake with their clothes on, let's get our brooks brothers shirts wet, too" thing without any rational cogitation involved..

What should a business do that has more people on payroll than their revenues can support?

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

#128
post #24

I really get the feeling that many companies are just blindly doing whatever other companies do. One starts large layoffs, and suddenly everybody is doing it. At other times, when one goes on a hiring spree, they all go. One tries to reduce salaries, they all do. One pays enormous bonuses, and they all do. It's like CEOs aren't really thinking for themselves, just copying whatever the market does.

...I'm surprised this shit wasn't apparent to HN when everyone literally uses the same leetcode interview process despite the fact that it makes no fucking sense.

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #74
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO answers to the board, and the board is usually of the type to at least ask the question "Everyone is jumping off a bridge, why aren't we?" And sadly the easiest answer is "we ARE jumping off the bridge, see?"

Is it inconceivable that layoffs are the right choice for a business?

If you are almost surely going out of business, have some revenue but no good option for reducing your costs, yes a mass layoff has a higher chance to save you than doing nothing.

If you had a healthy business and do a mass layoff, you don't have a healthy business anymore.

Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff

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post #3

The real question is: does the CEO take full responsibility?

The CEO take full credit for the layoffs, that is what they mean when they say they take full responsibility. In the eyes of those who matter to the CEO the layoff is a good thing, who would want that credit to trickle down the ranks to the middle managers?
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