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Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

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Oh boy, the pharmaceutical companies can sell a new product to help solve the mess that one of their previous products created. An opioid that's more potent, more addictive, and more deadly than heroin should never have gone to market in the first place. It speaks of enormous corruption and a complete lack of ethics when regulators didn't see an issue with fentanyl and let it move forward. The "but people are in pain…

If I fall off a ladder and break my leg, I want the good stuff. I’ve found old bottles of expired Vicodin and such around that I was prescribed but never finished. I have zero interest in recreationally using opiates. I also have zero interest in bravely tolerating agonizing pain if I don’t have to.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

#122
post #108

Wait - do I not know what the word 'vaccine' means?

Opioid addiction is a malignant disease, what's wrong with the usage here?

We usually think of vaccines as medicines that train the immune system to attack unwelcome molecules / microbes.

Perhaps the parent was asking if this technique actually uses the immune system?

(From skimming the article, I think the answer is yes.)

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

#123
post #97

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its not only that, the vaccine will create issues for people when they want to have a surgery so it CREATES NEW ISSUES

While fentanyl is amazingly effective in a controlled environment like an operating room, it's not the only option at their disposal. I suppose if this vaccine took off and you got it, it'd be good to keep an electronic medical ID on you.

It's the option they tend to select for a reason, though.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

#124
post #91

Or just make fentanyl very hard to prescribe? We are getting dumber by the minute.

most fentanyl is manufactured in clandestine labs in mexico and distributed by drug gangs

Most fentanyl is manufactured in China, most illicit fentanyl is produced in Mexico. (nitpick)

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You would think. But FDA is going opposite direction making legal opiates even harder to get by putting pressure on doctors.

Yeah. The way I understand it is that most users would prefer natural opiates but they're getting more and more expensive while synthetics are cheaper than ever. And, because the market is unregulated, even if you try to buy heroin you'll end up getting fentanyl mixed in anyway.

Yeah "heroin" can often be this weird brown product they mix in mexico. who knows what they add. whatever opiate like drug they have their hands on.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

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Someone in my family died from fentanyl at 26. I knew him since he was a little kid. We don't know if they were aware of the presence of that substance, but they certainly were in a higher risk situation. They had a decent life and a loving, if imperfect, family. They just happened to fall into a rougher crowd in middle school and, despite more than a decade of support and help and money, never really broke out of it.

One of my last conversations with this individual: they were excited to go to some convention in Minneapolis that was all about mushrooms and psychedelics. What struck me was how excited they were, how into that community they were. I couldn't relate. I thought to myself, isn't there anything in your life more exciting than this? Rewind 12 years, and I also have a memory of his fascination with tagging buildings on YouTube. The art of it aside, I was so struck by his ignorance to the fact that you're damaging someone else's personal property without their consent.

To deepen the mystery: I grew up in an unstable household, suffered emotional abuse and physical abuse on one occasion. I remember sleeping at a friend's house for a week and begging them not to call the police. When I look at this deceased person's life, whatever grievances they had, it really pales in comparison to my experience. And yet I never touched drugs. It makes me think some choices are not our own - and if it is predestined in some way at birth, well then yes, more compassion is necessary.

Whatever your personal views, it is objectively true that a vaccine would prevent some people from dying, so it's likely a good on balance.

I'm sorry for those impacted by this.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

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I really don't undertand this binary thinking regarding drugs. It seems like there's at least a third option in there somewhere between "ban it all and everything related and lock people up for decades if they touch the stuff" and "put it in a Pez dispenser and give every elementary school student a 12 tab slider with lunch every day." We don't do that with alcohol or weed, I don't see why that's the first (and often…

Well, even as a legalization sympathetic person, I can _sorta_ see the argument when you look at how marijuana legislation has gone. Dispensaries all over the damn place and the endless variety of products and general "mainstreaming" of weed use... I'm not opposed in principle but as sympathetic as I am I can't help wondering if some of it has gone a little far. That said though, I totally agree that "legalize all dr…

I wonder if there is a correlation between an accessibility of cannabis and alcohol-related incidents. Cannabis is much safer than alcohol. Would my friends and I have drank as much as we did when I was younger if cannabis was cheap and accessible?

Methadone is accessible for people dealing with opioid addiction, but that doesn’t provide a high so it doesn’t actually solve the problem of addicts choosing to continue opioid use.

Keeping fentanyl illegal evidentially can’t stop the problem of it ending up in street drugs causing overdoses. I concur a prescription for fentanyl patches would likely be the best approach.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

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> Let's go another way with this: You are extremely unlikely to ever come across a fentanyl user, even if you work for law enforcement, even if you're a LEO in a major metro. I'm gonna need a citation for that outrageous claim > Obviously, you can't equate research with other research; research and the drive to do research as a researcher is not a fungible item, but if we're spending tax payer money on it, why not a…

> Because that is nonsense. We don’t have that technology. https://www.theringer.com/2023/1/20/23562871/america-isnt-re...

That is nothing like a "vaccine for junk food"

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

#129
post #53

Oh boy, the pharmaceutical companies can sell a new product to help solve the mess that one of their previous products created. An opioid that's more potent, more addictive, and more deadly than heroin should never have gone to market in the first place. It speaks of enormous corruption and a complete lack of ethics when regulators didn't see an issue with fentanyl and let it move forward. The "but people are in pain…

I would suggest becoming actually educated before developing strong opinions. The drug is extremely useful and saves lives in a clinical setting; chances are it will save your life or someone you know and love. It's literally used _every hour_ around the clock in ERs. Nearly all problematic Fentanyl in the US is illegally imported and created by third parties overseas. It is not manufactured by those big bad US Pharm…

Yes, most of the fentanyl that's abused comes from illegal sources. However, like cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin, I put some of the responsibility on the people who created it and promoted its use in the first place.

It's naive to think we could make "super heroin" and it would stay restricted to safe, controlled medical environments. I'm not convinced the good it does in certain cases outweighs the enormous harm it's also responsible for.

Re: Fentanyl vaccine tested in rats

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opioid addiction is a malignant disease, what's wrong with the usage here?

We usually think of vaccines as medicines that train the immune system to attack unwelcome molecules / microbes. Perhaps the parent was asking if this technique actually uses the immune system? (From skimming the article, I think the answer is yes.)

In the 8th sentence it says the vaccine will "generate anti-fentanyl antibodies" with the goal of preventing mental illness.
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