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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by landemva »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #78
r_hoods_ghost wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look outside of the USA lots of cities have good public transport systems that aren't plagued by poverty, crime, homelessness and mental illness. Just because Americans have decided to optimize their society to maximize misery of a minority for the benefit of an even smaller minority doesn't make it necessary.

Western European countries are also much stricter on law and order via transit. Brussels, for example, deploys heavily armed police to check fares on the metro often. And Switzerland…you really don’t want to break the laws there even if you have nothing to lose.

I had three interactions with Swiss police in various cities, and they were all ok. Maybe it depends on the person?

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by dahfizz »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #117
dahfizz wrote: post #100

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Threads like this read like EVs are double or more the weight of an ICE car. EVs are a couple hundred pounds heavier in average than an equivalent ICE car. In terms of road wear, it's still a rounding error compared to industrial trucks.

The road wear is said to be proportional to the fourth power of axle load. http://www.cyclelicio.us/2014/fourth-power-rule-road-tax/ That means you deal twice the damage by increasing weight by only 20%. Seems in line with electric car weight difference.

Yeah, that's my point. A single garbage truck is going to do more wear on the roads than thousands of passenger vehicles. Anything besides industrial vehicles is negligible.

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Post by ericd »

hammock wrote: post #62
ceejayoz wrote: post #45

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EVs make substantially less of that, due to regenerative braking.

What portion of drivers use one pedal?

I assume most Tesla drivers, at least, it’s definitely the happy path. I probably use my brake pedal once every few hundred miles.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by JimtheCoder »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114
michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

Personally, my time in my car is some of the only pure "me" time I have, and I would hazard a guess that it is the same for many others.

A car to me is a personal, climate controlled cocoon, where I can turn on whatever music I want, have a coffee or a snack, and escape for the 30 minutes or however long it takes to reach my destination...without the chance of being bothered by anyone else, much less any of the other belligerents that you are sure to find on public transit from time to time.

I will continue to own and drive my own car for this simple fact...

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ericd »

amelius wrote: post #95
hammock wrote: post #42

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> That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road And brake dust, which includes a lot of metal

And their increased weight makes them much harsher on roads than normal cars. They wear down roads faster, and I suppose they also produces more particle pollution than normal car for this reason.

Because of the weight scaling characteristics (damage done corresponds to fourth power of axle weight), it’s irrelevant if trucks are allowed on the same roads. The damage increase done by EVs is probably not even worth considering.

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Post by landemva »

ogzk wrote: post #38
michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

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> Being poor in a city

Homeless are attracted to free services, which are often abundant in cities.

> the worst way to try to climb out of poverty.

I disagree, as anyone who wants to work can find more help wanted signs in cities than along interstate in rural Nebraska.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by davedx »

pforret wrote: post #24
manmal wrote: post #7

Author first assumes that only 60% of the available battery capacity is used (80% > 20%) and then arrives at the conclusion that the range is lower than expected. Well, no shit. I personally do charge my Ioniq BEV to 100%, and I often drive it to, say, 6%. In summer, I get a range of 220km, and in winter 160-180km, depending on temperature and number of cold starts (cold starts seem to trigger a battery warm-up). SOH…

I see colleagues that have to choose a new EV and use the EPA rating as an actual distance ("Oh I can drive to Paris in 1 go"). They don't know that you normally don't start from 100%, and you don't go down to 0%. Your 94% range usage is impressive, but not the norm for daily usage. Most people follow their vendor's recommendations for battery longevity.

When I drove from NL to Paris of course I charge to 100% first.

There's some rational logic in the article and comments but there's also some nonsense.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

Tade0 wrote: post #37
michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

> That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road I hear this a lot, but how much pollution is it really? It surely doesn't register on any municipal particulate measurement station.

I worked in a temporary office for a summer next to a large overpass. It had no AC so we had the windows open most afternoons. The amount of particulate that would coat everything in just a single afternoon shocked me.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

sigio wrote: post #18
michpoch wrote: post #10

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What do you do when you arrive at the charger with 6% battery left and the charger doesn’t work? Or if there’s a significant queue?

Select charge-locations with 4+ chargers available, and in the larger charge-locations along motorway/freeway intersections, there's usually chargers from multiple networks/suppliers, so even failures on a backend of one provider can be worked around by using another network. Doing 2000km this week, I only encountered 1 case where I had to use the 50kw charger, as it was the only one available (there were 2 300kw cha…

This is a very nice theory. Does not work in practice.

Got into France, north of Troyes in Enyaq, last 20km in battery. Only chargers there in 30km perimeter are Freshmile 22kW chargers, which won't charge my car (can't start session, car refuses charger, tested 3 of them). Was able to save myself in local PSA dealership, which got their own charger and gave me 20km more so I can get to Troyes to Ionity charger.

What is extremely annoying is

* This is a large network, yet not compatible and there is no way to figure that out.

* The car was actually trying to lead me on those charger via its own internal navigation, so even somebody who was creating this map believed that those chargers are compatible, yet they aren't.

* I could never get into such situation with gas. In the most extreme case, I could have just use funnel to get the gas into the tank if hose would not be compatible with my car.

So the fact that there are chargers around you means nothing at all if you don't know if they are working and are compatible without your car.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ericd »

hammock wrote: post #51
ogzk wrote: post #38

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> We’ll never have public transport because Wait, we…do…have public transport. Effective and useful public transport. In NYC 60% of people commute with it. Boston, DC, SF, Chicago, Philadelphia… You might have a specific gripe because it doesn’t take you exactly where you want to go with exactly the comfort you think you need, but these places have public transit that is good enough for hundreds of thousands or even…

Having lived in a few of those cities, I’d say NYC is very much the exception. It’d be great if every major city’s public transit was as good, but it’s inadequate or barely adequate for a large percentage of the area of those other cities.
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