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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by et-al »

beej71 wrote: post #106

I have exactly this problem. Beej's Guide to Network Programming is indexed just fine. Beej's Guide to C won't index. The automated tool says it's in violation of some unnamed rule, but I can't figure out which. There's zero SEO, tracking, or ads, and the content is educational and G-rated. All the other guides index just fine. I asked for a review and they came back with the same ambiguous message. Eventually I just…

Could it be due to some overly zealous prude filter and the unfortunate coincidence that "beej" is American slang for blowjob (oral sex)?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by kshacker »

gary_0 wrote: post #110
crazygringo wrote: post #65

I may have found the answer, and I've seen this before (it happened to me once). It's when a different spam site copies your content wholesale, and a search engine decides they're the "original" site, and you're the spammy copycat. Because if you put the headlines (in quotes) from two of his recent articles into Bring, e.g. either "Megan Smith explaining the General Magic prototyping process" or "Denialists, Alarmist…

Recently on HN there was "Someone is proxy-mirroring my website, can I do anything?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33952114 It feels like the Internet is a more hostile place than ever for small-time websites. You get squeezed from below by wily criminals, and crushed from above by careless megacorps who want to filter out anything that doesn't make them money.

No more hostile than real world, we are just finding out it is a reflection of our world, of course the difference being the global interconnectedness which magnifies the celebrities but also the crooks.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by linmob »

sct202 wrote: post #15

You can submit a ticket to bing via their webmaster tools website. I've done it before in the past and a real human did respond at the time. In my experience bing will straight deindex full websites for unknown reasons while Google will ranking penalize but leave you searchable if their algo feels you deserve it.

Did you manage to get re-indexed? I did not, and after the first attempt, replies to my tickets became quite rare.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by posix86 »

O1111OOO wrote: post #81
TrueGeek wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should you do when another site copies your content like this then?

> What should you do when another site copies your content like this then? Have we gotten to the point where websites (and their content) need to be verified like Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok do for personal accounts? If so, will search engines be the ones verifying - using this as a new revenue scheme (with the dangers inherent in this... ie; pay to be listed or ranked higher)?

No the problem here are Bing & co., their algorithm is clearly not good enough.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by NreItardGGERS »

ryandrake wrote: post #88
ceejayoz wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump popularized the term “fake news”, generally meaning “real news I don’t like”.

People forget: for a very, very brief moment during the 2016 US presidential campaign, the problem of actual "fake news" was in the spotlight. Literal fake news, where a pseudo-news site would put up stories that was entirely fictional, to promote a political POV, and present them as news. Trump swiftly neutralized the term by co-opting it and using it, as you say, to mean "real news I don't like". But for just a mom…

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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by emurlin »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #83
pungentcomment wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are that the site will be hosted outside the US and the DMCA is a US only copyright law afaik. I don't think it's applicable outside the US.

In those cases, you can send one to DDG and Bing, which are in the US. It won’t affect the actual website or other search engines, but it’s better than nothing.

Indeed you can. I've had similar issues before (a site scraping content, though apparently from dev.to instead of my own domain and a YouTube channel making a 'video' with text and TTS from a post).

In the first case, I sent a DMCA to Google & Bing as well as to Cloudflare. Cloudflare responds by giving the name of the actual host, and I sent another DMCA to that host (they were US based, otherwise YMMV). The content was delisted (not the site, even though it was made up entirely of verbatim scraped content) from search engines and from the site.

Bottom line is you can send a DMCA notice to search engines and it appears to be effective. Actually, in case search engines demote sites like this in some way, I would send the DMCA notice to search engines _first_, because if the content gets removed from the original site they may not be able to verify the duplicate content.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by NreItardGGERS »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #23
tasuki wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Unfortunately people increasingly use "shadow ban" to just mean "ban", perhaps it sounds cool?

Elon wants to redefine the term as well but for the purpose of a coordinated witch hunt. People like using shadow ban because it sounds more malicious vs. content that is no longer actively promoted by a company. It's hard to claim you're a victim if the reason is you're just not that interesting or popular.

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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by mprime1 »

beej71 wrote: post #106

I have exactly this problem. Beej's Guide to Network Programming is indexed just fine. Beej's Guide to C won't index. The automated tool says it's in violation of some unnamed rule, but I can't figure out which. There's zero SEO, tracking, or ads, and the content is educational and G-rated. All the other guides index just fine. I asked for a review and they came back with the same ambiguous message. Eventually I just…

My hero! Thank you for your work.

(Yes, not adding much insightful conversation. I don’t care if I get downvoted.)

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by andrewflnr »

ceejayoz wrote: post #68
philippejara wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump-esque? what words has trump even done that for? Changing the meaning of words to fit what you want has been happening long before the printing press even was invented by people in power, vying for power, reporting on things they have a biased interest in or just wanting a quick win on an argument. Not everything needs to be a trump analogy.

Trump popularized the term “fake news”, generally meaning “real news I don’t like”.

I only ever see it used either (a) sarcastically or (b) to describe actual falsehood. I don't think he was successful in redefining it.
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