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Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by mmanciop »

tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

Remorse? Are you kidding? Some likely get a long-forgotten tingle out of it ;-)

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Post by benj111 »

chevman wrote: post #27

I know a few folks relatively high up in Amazon HR/TA/People Ops type roles and the scale at which they operate recruiting is nuts. Mainly driven by the insane need for people in the ops/fulfillment/delivery areas, but corp roles are also similar. They typically make more offers than roles they have available, as they have fairly good analytics around what % of offers will not be filled post acceptance (ie someone si…

Well if I turn up for a flight that's full, I get compensated, it is currently illegal in my country to ring people up and not connect them with someone. If I sign a contract to buy something in the future, I am expected to buy that thing.

If Amazon are doing this, they should be paying the full cost of their error, which is more than a month's salary.

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Post by CommieBobDole »

I swear, if Amazon was kidnapping people off the street and grinding them up to use the slurry as machine coolant, there would be people in threads like this saying, "Well, they could use water, but it's 25% less efficient which would increase costs, and at their scale those costs would be larger than the value of the lives of the people they're grinding up, so I see where they're coming from."

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Post by vikingerik »

tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

On that last, beware the law of unintended consequence: that penalty would serve as a deterrent against making offers to visa users in the first place, if the company had no route out of it once offered.

It's the same idea as European worker protection employment laws compared to the US: they sound good, but the effect is that companies have to be slower to hire when firing is that much harder.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by citia19 »

YuryVladkov wrote: post #113
citia19 wrote: post #111

Hi OP, could you please share which org in amazon were you planning to join? Cuz I was told by my manager that 2 ppl from EU will join our team in Vancouver shortly… and we are a new team…

I think there are dozens of people like me.

I’m really sorry op, I hope you could find a job in Canada soon

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by ghaff »

jmyeet wrote: post #88

This is the advice I'd give to anyone, particularly in this market: don't resign until you physically start your new job. Particularly when the new job is in a different country, even if your contract requires you to give a certain period of notice, it really doesn't matter. So in your case I would've started with Amazon in January and then resigned. A lot now depends on what country you are in, what visa you are on…

Maybe it's a higher bar to lay off a brand new employee than to rescind an offer letter. But I don't think that's a given. It still may be good advice in the current climate though.

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Post by benj111 »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #47
jimlongton wrote: post #37

Is your current post already filled? I'm in the EU and filling positions left by people resigning has taken months. Talk to your old manager and HR. They might be more desperate than they appear.

Staying at a job that you resigned from is not a good idea, unless it’s very short term. For many reasons.

Depends why you left.

If you left on good terms, because you wanted to develop your career and your employer understood that. Jobs for life aren't a thing anymore, no one can seriously expect their employees to faithfully remain loyal until they get made redundant.

Hell it could even be good as it shows that the op is serious about moving up.

Now you could be right, but the op still has options to get out in that eventuality anyway.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by prng2021 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #77
prng2021 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The better option would have been to hire him. How is that not obvious? Amazon as a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company can absorb the expense of employing him. I’m the worst case, they can lay off an existing low performing employee to compensate.

There are already tens of thousands of people that are being laid off in Amazon. The low-performers will go anyway, but clearly it seems like it's not enough. Training new employees is not a worthwhile investment if you are in the situation where you're already firing thousands.

As I said, in the worst case, they can always find someone else to lay off.

There are countless other ways they can compensate for the cost of hiring him. A couple quick examples are delaying promoting and giving a raise to some people, or removing another open position they were looking to hire.

The result of not just sucking it it up and doing the right thing here, which was to actually hire him as promised, is 1) a terrible public image affecting future ability to hire talent when people are weighing Amazon vs CompanyX, and 2) increased chance that future new hires will read about this kind of bs behavior and not think twice about accepting an Amazon job offer and then rescinding their promise to start employment, at the very last moment.

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