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On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by gonehome »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #86
divan wrote: post #60

I never tried alcohol and never felt compelled to. As a kid I wondered what's happening with those drunk people I had a chance to see. So I read some books in library about alcohol (my mother was librarian, so that was my internet back then). It all just made sense and I decided that don't want to even try. I was asked to try alcohol by parents and relatives, I was ridiculed and insulted by classmates (drinking someh…

> The whole concept of using poisonous chemicals to alter your brain state was and still is very alien to me. I just don't get it. Willingly disrupt your body's functions on a cellular level hoping for something good, while all the scientific evidence points only to the bad? Still don't get it. So in the ancestral environment they fermented grain (first by accident, then on purpose) which became a means of preserving…

Unless the OP is also eating some sort of super healthy no sugar diet (maybe they are, but I doubt it) this is just rationalizing a decision made for other reasons.

The reason people are annoyed by it isn't because they don't understand it, it's because he's condescending and self-righteous, it's moralizing.

People make all sorts of things their identity and that's fine, but there's some sort of lack of curiosity that makes them a little less interesting imo. A candy bar isn't good for you, but people enjoy them on occasion. That's true of a lot of things in life.

The majority (but not all) people I've known in this category have been mormons, obviously people can do as they wish, but it's often other beliefs driving this with after the fact reasoning applied vs. some epistemically consistent model.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by joshuamorton »

listenallyall wrote: post #114
joshuamorton wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip". And that article is bemoaning $12 and $15 cocktails. I'm not arguing that those are cheap. I am arguing that they aren't 20-30 dollar drinks, which is what the original post said. You've backed off from that by 30-50%. And I agree you can find 16 or 18 dollar drinks in many places, I never argued otherwise. But you can't find $30 doll…

Beauty and Essex LA. > I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip Because only "that guy" pays for a $16 drink with a $20 and demands a dollar in change. Lol. But you're immune, because, I can already tell, you go to bars and pay the slammed bartender with a credit card.

Neat! Of course, you really should do it without the needless potshots that just arent remotely true. If you had just said that at the beginning,you might have avoided all this needless un-niceness. But it really seems like your goal is to be mean, not engaging. Your loss I guess.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by archagon »

slenk wrote: post #119
maria2 wrote: post #113

Quitting alcohol seems to be in vogue these days. I'd like to offer a counterpoint: I love to drink. By the government definition, I'm a very heavy drinker. I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed. Of course, I do go many days without drinking when life gets in the way. But I certainly enjoy my night time ritual. But what I really love about drinking is socializing over drinks. No,…

It's in vogue because people are realizing they are actively consuming cancer juice... Much like cigarette users had to realize they are actively inhaling cancer smoke... You kind of act like people that don't drink can't go out, have non-alcoholic drinks, and still focus on eachother...

Not to defend alcohol, but by that logic, we should also be giving up on BBQ, cured meats, and stir fries, and yet I don't see very many people merrily throwing those away.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by archagon »

more_corn wrote: post #110
Cloudef wrote: post #22

Alcohol helped me to gain social wisdom (did not drink before that at all, which I think is the reason I got bit outcast from people)

It’s possible to gain social wisdom without alcohol. Here’s one for free: Surround yourself with people you like. Be the friend to them that you’d want for yourself. That’s all the social wisdom you need.

If you have social anxiety, this is essentially a Catch 22.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by slenk »

archagon wrote: post #123
slenk wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in vogue because people are realizing they are actively consuming cancer juice... Much like cigarette users had to realize they are actively inhaling cancer smoke... You kind of act like people that don't drink can't go out, have non-alcoholic drinks, and still focus on eachother...

Not to defend alcohol, but by that logic, we should also be giving up on BBQ, cured meats, and stir fries, and yet I don't see very many people merrily throwing those away.

Those are carcinogenic every consumption?

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by archagon »

slenk wrote: post #125
archagon wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to defend alcohol, but by that logic, we should also be giving up on BBQ, cured meats, and stir fries, and yet I don't see very many people merrily throwing those away.

Those are carcinogenic every consumption?

I’m not sure, but they are inherently carcinogenic, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t be.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by slenk »

archagon wrote: post #126
slenk wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are carcinogenic every consumption?

I’m not sure, but they are inherently carcinogenic, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t be.

I am genuinely curious - what part of BBQ? We know red meat can lead to an increased risk of colon cancer, but you can still have it safely.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by archagon »

slenk wrote: post #127
archagon wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure, but they are inherently carcinogenic, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t be.

I am genuinely curious - what part of BBQ? We know red meat can lead to an increased risk of colon cancer, but you can still have it safely.

I was thinking of smoking meats in particular.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by listenallyall »

joshuamorton wrote: post #122
listenallyall wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beauty and Essex LA. > I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip Because only "that guy" pays for a $16 drink with a $20 and demands a dollar in change. Lol. But you're immune, because, I can already tell, you go to bars and pay the slammed bartender with a credit card.

Neat! Of course, you really should do it without the needless potshots that just arent remotely true. If you had just said that at the beginning,you might have avoided all this needless un-niceness. But it really seems like your goal is to be mean, not engaging. Your loss I guess.

nobody is trying to embarrass you or "take potshots" but when you start objecting to comments because they are off by a rounding error or you start calculating percentages in response to the theme of "this shit has gotten expensive," you're outing yourself

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Post by pmarreck »

skiddo wrote: post #95
pmarreck wrote: post #29

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Absolutely helped me in my 20’s. I was severely repressed, and alcohol in moderation felt like it basically “unlocked” me. I actually have a pet theory that the people who evolved to tolerate alcohol (and not die from it or misadventure via it) actually depend on it to “fully be themselves” because the cost of this is being LESS daring etc. (basically having an overabundance of self control) while sober. I’m a softwa…

I thought alcohol was helping me in my 20’s - just like I thought I was a high functioning alcoholic by the end of said 20’s. In actuality, my consumption had slowly (but dramatically) lowered my standards on _everything_. My daily routines had all but evaporated. I was in a constant rush, phoning in virtually everything in my life - all while planning for the next drink. Took 30 days of sobriety to realize the sauce…

Right. So it basically depends on the person.
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