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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by philliphaydon »

musicale wrote: post #27
22289d wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Jobs importantly said the customer experience . Remember Jobs also famously said: “Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why…

My previous job we had an amazing product owner. He never caved to customers demands. He always listened to them and deciphered what they actually wanted. He took 1 customers demands and figured out what everybody wanted. And every time we released a feature we got great feedback and praise.

I remember one customer said “wow this so much better than what we asked for!”

When he left it was all down hill. Because the product owners just wanted to pad their resume. Pump out features. And pretend like they cared about the product but ultimately the product got worse. To the point they started adding old features back in that they had removed thinking they knew better.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by _s »

remote_phone wrote: post #61
rwbt wrote: post #15

I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk. Jobs was so much better put together in public and seems like he can still be very coherent and persuasive even when angry (likely in this video) and insulted in public.

Steve Jobs was a tyrant being closed doors and would often cry in meetings. This sounds very similar to Musk. Musk is undoubtably a genius, you can’t discount the success that Tesla and SpaceX have had. He’s just extremely heavy-handed and capricious. I heard from someone at Tesla that they loathe being in meetings with him because he will literally fire people on the spot. That type of arrogance did play during the…

I wouldn't stretch as far as calling Musk a genius - he's someone with a lot of business acumen, and understands how to use social media effectively to get what he wants (much like Trump), and has deep connections to make his ventures successful.

SpaceX, Tesla etc would not be where they are now without all the funding Musk was able to secure and source from governments (grants, tax breaks, investments etc), and then investors - that's probably his biggest contribution.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by colechristensen »

22289d wrote: post #16
CharlesW wrote: post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

The things blockchain is good at don’t get attention because people who hate crypto hate on everything and people who like crypto think the things are boring, which they are.

Blockchain isn’t good for some society disrupting change of finance… it’s a specialized accounting book. Very few people are excited by ledgers really, and the thing you can do with these new fancy ledgers have a lot to do with mostly mutually trusting businesses keeping track of balances between a small group. This is not exciting, will not change the world, but might make some details of finance folks and the people who write software for them a little easier.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by philliphaydon »

cypress66 wrote: post #100
22289d wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Bitcoin did "figure that out". You're referring I think to cashgrabs that slap the Blockchain term to try to milk some money. Bitcoin originates from a concrete customer experience issue: lack of digital money with some cash like properties (non reversible, pseudonymous, trustless, etc). [1] Something like that had been tried to create a few times before, but Blockchain was the first solution to that problem. In othe…

Money is already digital, it’s not backed by gold or paper ledger, it’s stored digitally and used digitally on a daily basis.

Crypto currency is decentralised digital currency.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by kjksf »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #105
remote_phone wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs was a tyrant being closed doors and would often cry in meetings. This sounds very similar to Musk. Musk is undoubtably a genius, you can’t discount the success that Tesla and SpaceX have had. He’s just extremely heavy-handed and capricious. I heard from someone at Tesla that they loathe being in meetings with him because he will literally fire people on the spot. That type of arrogance did play during the…

mike lindell is a genius, you cant discount the success he has had with my pillow

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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by philliphaydon »

Mistletoe wrote: post #117
IAmGraydon wrote: post #108

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Precisely. Crypto is a solution in search of a problem.

It solves a problem that you don't realize is here yet, just like people in France didn't understand it was here yet and Rome and Weimar Germany... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assignat https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

It doesn’t solve anything. Currency used to be backed by gold. There was always a fallback value of currency in the form of gold.

Crypto falls back on the US dollar. If the US dollar collapses. As too does Bitcoin. And there is nothing in place to prevent this.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by raydiatian »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #115
raydiatian wrote: post #82

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To my mind it’s a bit of a trick question intended to bait Jobs into comparing apples to oranges. OpenDoc’s goal seems to be something of an early fediverse (shoot me if you disagree): a component framework that would allow applications to aggregate/compose/edit/display documents or subfragments thereof simultaneously from a federated network of sources, in an open standard that would allow anybody to roll their own…

What an utterly strange reply. Did you actually watch the video? He danced around nothing. He simply stepped back one level and addressed the larger source of the angry comment from the audience member. He was very clear - all decisions of this scale will make some people upset. He admitted to what he didn't know, and then directly gave credit to his team and the people working under them for their hard work and long…

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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by raydiatian »

jmull wrote: post #116
raydiatian wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my mind it’s a bit of a trick question intended to bait Jobs into comparing apples to oranges. OpenDoc’s goal seems to be something of an early fediverse (shoot me if you disagree): a component framework that would allow applications to aggregate/compose/edit/display documents or subfragments thereof simultaneously from a federated network of sources, in an open standard that would allow anybody to roll their own…

> They’re the same fucking question… I really don’t see it that way. One is customer-focused and one is tech-focused. I think Jobs is explaining that he killed OpenDoc because, regardless of how great the tech was, it didn’t lead to something great Apple could make for its customers.

Look don’t get me wrong. I understand Jobs is smart. He was a shrewd businessman and a hell of a product/advertising guy, I don’t discredit Apple’s achievements and his lasting impact on them. But the man was also a bullshit peddler and a reality distortion field, and sniffing his own fumes is what ultimately killed him in the end, poetic hubris and all.

> Start with what great benefits can we give our customer, not with what tech do our engineers have

* The Apple I was Jobs looking at Wozz’ creations and salivating dollar signs

* The whole mouse & windowed UI was stolen from Xerox (engineers)

* The iPod was born out response to existing CD player and MP3 design (engineering)

* The magnifier genie effect on the dock was literally how an engineer got his foot in the door at Apple (I’m an engineer use my software employ me)

* The keyboard on the iPhone is something that arose out of engineering

* Every single instance of Steve Jobs walking on stage and calling the latest CPU in the MacBook & family a “screamer”

* Every company Apple bought to build iLife

> something great Apple could make for its customers

Something great Apple could sell to its customers. Apple stuff is awesome but it’s all overpriced and defended by the mystique of Job’s persona.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by frosted-flakes »

function_seven wrote: post #70
htag wrote: post #57

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> Go back to Elon learning, during an interview, the things Buzz Aldrin—a childhood hero of his—said about SpaceX. Is there a typo here? Can someone explain what this means in slightly different words? I've love to hear what Buzz Aldrin has to say about Elon Musk, but I just can't parse this phrase.

Here's a rewording of the phrase: Go back to the time Elon learned about the things Buzz Aldrin—his childhood hero—said about SpaceX I think this is the interview in question: https://youtu.be/23GzpbNUyI4?t=726

That was Neil Armstrong and Gene Cernan, not Buzz Aldrin.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

philliphaydon wrote: post #121
musicale wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs importantly said the customer experience . Remember Jobs also famously said: “Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why…

My previous job we had an amazing product owner. He never caved to customers demands. He always listened to them and deciphered what they actually wanted. He took 1 customers demands and figured out what everybody wanted. And every time we released a feature we got great feedback and praise. I remember one customer said “wow this so much better than what we asked for!” When he left it was all down hill. Because the p…

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