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Re: Apollo Layoffs

#121

Can someone explain how Apollo makes money? GraphQL via Apollo is essentially my default API and yet I've never sent these guys a dime.

One reason why they're laying everyone off. Lots of VC money sloshed around the past 15 years but now it's time to actually turn a profit for most of these companies. This will show whether their business models are actually viable or not.

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#122
post #94

This company has been pretty dysfunctional since the Meteor days.

I can't speak to dysfunctional, but I can speak to hype. Both just had too much of it and it made me not so interested in them. Apollo is still trying to use hype as its main weapon – here's what its homepage says:

> Modern apps are built on the supergraph

Re: Apollo Layoffs

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post #36

Is there a reason why these big layoffs are done just before thanksgiving, Christmas etc?

I'm assuming to get it done before the end of the fiscal year.

January 1st would be calendar year though and not necessarily the fiscal year. The fiscal year can start and end any month the calendar year a company chooses. The fiscal year often does not correspond to the calendar year. See:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-different-companies-different...

Re: Apollo Layoffs

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post #98
post #36

Is there a reason why these big layoffs are done just before thanksgiving, Christmas etc?

And as I was reading these comments, a news item popped up for me... https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-companies-do-layoffs-around...

Thought that was from Washington Post for a second, they laid people off just yesterday.

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#125

> I am very sad to make this decision. It’s a consequence of the approach that Matt and I took in scaling the company over the last year, and we take full responsibility for the impact that will have on the lives of our departing team members. Why do CEO's always say this empty nonsense. If you accept responsibility, you accept consequences - what consequences is Geoff Schmidt going to be facing? Hurt feelings? Give…

The business they built is failing. The emotional toll is extreme. Founders I know are either in poor health due to stress, or place an outsized emphasis on staying healthy. You and others who post this every time seem to be saying "Ah yes, you're not suffering enough in my eyes". How much suffering is enough? Should your degree of blood thirst be applied to employee actions? Are blameless retrospectives a mistake an…

unreasonable people are unreasonable

it’s clear they want people in charge to suffer, because some other powerful person hurt them in the past

sad. start up founder have a lot of benefits but it comes with pain.

pick your poison

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#126

I have no idea what Apollo Graph QL is, but it was interesting to search by URL and see the progression of related HN titles and their engagement. 2018 July. Apollo server 2 released woo! (mostly ignored) 2019 Feb. We switched away from Slack woo! . . . (Some PRs everybody ignored) 2019 June. We got a $22M investment woo! . . . (Many PRs everybody ignored) 2022 Dec. Oops, we are laying of lots of people...

Apollo is not _the_ GraphQL company, nor is it synonymous with GraphQL. Nobody is those things.

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#127
post #12

For reference, according to their current team page, 246 employees (at least 246 publicly listed ones)

So they were basically a 100 person company before the pandemic if they grew up 2.5X. I feel like a 100 person company it's still possible to be familiar with most names and maybe even have interacted with all of them at one time or another. Especially if you've been there for any length of time. 246 people is a different beast altogether though.

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#128
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employers are by dollar amount the biggest actual thieves by far in the US. Business owners ought to generally receive more scorn and critical evaluation than common property thieves who represent a thin fragment, if we really care about theft

Why don't you go start a business and become one of these rich employers you speak of? If taking such risks wasn't rewarded accordingly, then I don't think people would be nearly as eager to start a business.

There can be a lot of risks involved, and a lot of theft.

https://calmatters.org/explainers/when-employers-steal-wages...

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#129

Can someone explain how Apollo makes money? GraphQL via Apollo is essentially my default API and yet I've never sent these guys a dime.

I'm not the one at my company closest to the situation, but my understanding is that even though our federated gateway is self hosted, we still pay to use Apollo's proprietary schema verification and compatibility check service. I think our front end team also uses Apollo Studio a lot for building queries, which I'm assuming costs something.

Re: Apollo Layoffs

#130

Why are software companies still grappling with the mythical man month? You'd think by now we'd have learned our lesson. More hands /= more productivity, at least on a linear scale

Too many business schools teach classes that claim that managers don't need to know the business that they're in. They just need to know the math. Then apply what comes out of "organizational psychology/sociology" courses to the remaining staff. And when a new CxO takes over, he brings in his cronies who puffed him up at the last place (aka "the new broom sweeps clean"). This is why software companies end up with mis…

Which business schools teach this, prominently?

I have my own distaste of "MBA Culture" but one thing I would not say is that they teach people to ignore the business and not learn it. From what I've learned, is completely orthogonal to what they teach you in any regionally accredited business school what you are asserting here.

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