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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by nephanth »

curiousllama wrote: post #44
dylan604 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me wonder how much Meta is financing any lobbying effort to get this passed?

Probably a lot, but it's also not an absurd policy direction. Folks from all over have floated the vague notion that Tiktok is bad, independent of Meta. Rs tried to do it a few years ago, but implementation as a disaster. I'd imagine the lobbying effort would be less "briefcase full of cash" and more "can we hire smart people to think through policy mechanisms, in a way that's productive for both Rs & Ds" Though ther…

I imagine this kind of dialogue "Hey, you like jobs right? They get you elected and all. Well if you ban tiktok we'll make some jobs, watcha think?"

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by TremendousJudge »

par wrote: post #57
endisneigh wrote: post #34

It’ll be fun in 10 years when you need the equivalent of calling cards to access foreign sites. In the end it’s hilarious how the American government thinks of its citizens as being so clueless to need such a paternalistic policy. I wonder how many tiktokers even care about the fact that the app is Chinese.

> American government thinks of its citizens as being so clueless to need such a paternalistic policy. uh... you really haven't met a lot of US citizens if you think they don't need paternalistic policy.

Reminds me of this jewel by The Onion: Obama Scales Back Goals For America After Visiting Denny's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yiQXPOO1Yo

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throwaway4good wrote: post #48
mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

TikTok already stores its data in the US and gives the US authorities full access to it.

> TikTok already stores its data in the US and gives the US authorities full access to it

A courtesy also extended to Beijing [1].

[1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-...

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by kube-system »

largepeepee wrote: post #40
philjohn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

You know it's a weak argument when it starts with "but China does it, so we can too"

It's not a rationale, it's a commonly used trade strategy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocity_(international_rel...

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by datalopers »

rayiner wrote: post #100

I don’t understand the bi-partisan dislike of Tik Tok. As far as content goes, it’s pretty wholesome compared to what you see on movies and TV these days. It’s much better at giving kids age appropriate content than other sites. There is also a lot less commercialized stuff. Way better than cartoons that peddle toys and junk.

> I don’t understand the bi-partisan dislike of Tik Tok.

It's not hard to understand, it's literally because it's controlled by China.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by rayiner »

endisneigh wrote: post #34

It’ll be fun in 10 years when you need the equivalent of calling cards to access foreign sites. In the end it’s hilarious how the American government thinks of its citizens as being so clueless to need such a paternalistic policy. I wonder how many tiktokers even care about the fact that the app is Chinese.

> In the end it’s hilarious how the American government thinks of its citizens as being so clueless to need such a paternalistic policy

Is it? Given how Tik Tok content is regulated in China, the Chinese seem to agree.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by enson110 »

China is not ban Apple, because Apple willing to store data inside China. BUT, why did US ban tiktok although they were willing to store data inside US. You can ban a company that not obtain the law, but can not ban without any advice.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by hackernewds »

pseudolus wrote: post #79

"TikTok is digital fentanyl that’s addicting Americans, collecting troves of their data, and censoring their news." Is the conclusion that all forms of digital fentanyl should be banned or just Chinese ones? Because the reality is there's nothing too exceptional about TikTok's underlying algorithms. Will lawmakers be willing enact legislation against companies marketing similar "digital fentanyl" but that are America…

Exactly. this seems like a boon to the Meta flavor or digital fentanyl

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by dylan604 »

nephanth wrote: post #121
curiousllama wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a lot, but it's also not an absurd policy direction. Folks from all over have floated the vague notion that Tiktok is bad, independent of Meta. Rs tried to do it a few years ago, but implementation as a disaster. I'd imagine the lobbying effort would be less "briefcase full of cash" and more "can we hire smart people to think through policy mechanisms, in a way that's productive for both Rs & Ds" Though ther…

I imagine this kind of dialogue "Hey, you like jobs right? They get you elected and all. Well if you ban tiktok we'll make some jobs, watcha think?"

Huh? How does banning tiktok make jobs? Are you assuming a US based company will spring up with a clone? You really believe that? Isn't it much more likely Meta will use it's power to gobble up any upstart to avoid the competition?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by rhino369 »

mrtksn wrote: post #22
philjohn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

It's not free trade if its one way only.

Banning one application (due to trade reasons) is not "full control" of what apps US citizens have access to.

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