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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #4

Are cheques even used for anything except for fraud anymore? Open call: Anyone out there paying or receiving payment with cheque in the last ten years?

Yes, but very infrequently:

- The US Treasury sends refund checks and also sent the stimulus checks to me.

- I paid my rent by check when living in Manhattan 9-10 years ago.

When you ain't doing it frequently enough, it's frustrating. (edit: it's more friction given I live outside the states and the bank I have now requires phone-based 2FA to login to the internet bank, but at least it is infrequent enough to not worry too much)

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by honkler »

webmobdev wrote: post #100
SanjayMehta wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This journalist got scammed into quitting her job and telling the world that she had been hired by an Ivy League university as a professor. Months of effort and multiple email domains created to push the scam. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vq8m/india-nidhi-razdan-ph...

I believe she was targeted by the ruling political party, who have a history of harassing and doxxing their critics, (or the current indian government itself) to demoralise her and besmirch her reputation as a journalist. And that happened. She is now attacked by her critics for her "naivety", and ridiculed by them, and she went into depression and took a break. (It all points to that as she was never asked for any m…

I don't think the ruling party and its political supporters are clever enough to execute it. It was surely quite weird what happened with her though.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by Delemono »

ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

One of my most frustrating revelations is this:

Every new human has to learn aaaaalll of this over again.

That's also why empires like the Roman was able to disappear.

Knowledge fades and we need actively teach over and over again.

More money to our education system!

And btw people still have no clue how computers work. This hasn't changed too much :(

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by tosh »

boosteri wrote: post #107
xmprt wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reasoning has been used so many times and while it makes sense on the surface, if you think about it for a little longer, then you'd realize it's probably not true. For example, in this case, the bad grammar persisted even in the final stage where the money was about to be transferred. I don't think you really need to "filter" more people at that point.

I'm guessing there was a study of some kind and not just theoretical debate? In a way I would agree with you, but I can also see an argument for the contrary. As in you don't want to change the pattern at this point as that might fire some alarms and spook the horses.

Why Do Nigerian Scammers Say They are From Nigeria? (Cormac Herley, 2012)

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/why-do-...

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by treve »

nigamanth wrote: post #6

To be honest, one can easily realize that this "Marc Cannon" is a fake with the amount of spelling and grammatical errors he makes. Real professionals do not make spelling and grammar errors such as: "Do you have any other question ?" "Good morning how are you this morning." "I will send you later" "Good morning, How are you doing today ?" "This is very disrespectful and all director are to meet you for training on m…

Why are you shaming the victim? Of course some people will fall through the cracks. It's not their fault

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by ukoki »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #4

Are cheques even used for anything except for fraud anymore? Open call: Anyone out there paying or receiving payment with cheque in the last ten years?

My council tax refund from my previous council when I moved house this year could only be sent as a cheque. I found this so strange I made an FOI request to try and work out how much additional income the council was making from uncashed chequeues.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by fallingknife »

ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

Not to mention asking to contact someone about official business at a Gmail address!

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by nonrandomstring »

tommiegannert wrote: post #111
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

That people buy gift cards at all boggles my mind. You're buying a currency with less versatility (and hence value) for 1:1. Where I live, we have perfectly fine government-issued bills to gift if that's your thing. Somehow, that's considered a bad present? Because it's lazy? Because it doesn't show your opinion on clothes brands? I don't get it, from the consumer's perspective. To the shop/mall it's a clear winner,…

This is one more very good reason not to indulge the insanity that is a "cashless society". If you let go of those government issued bills be sure that in no time at all you'll have nothing but fragmented, private "smart" currencies each hobbled with its own insidious restrictions.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by ISO-morphism »

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair.

Indeed, the scammers are the bad guys. At the same time, what about people that still fall for Nigerian princes or go through their spam folder for "sex in your area" or "penis enlargement pills"?

> ...verified it would gather information from Google, Dropbox sign, the bank receiving the funds...

While I agree that our banking system should evolve past the high-trust model that it has organically grown out of, this sounds absolutely dystopian to me. I would much rather live in a world where the resolution is "sorry, you got scammed, that sucks, learn from it" rather than "our corporate overlords will collaborate to ensure your safety." Even if real-time 2FA of fund transfers existed everywhere, people (including everyone in the right state, sure) would still click those things. Technology doesn't solve social problems.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by vanviegen »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #110
zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

You're relying on the idea that all foreign governments care about their citizens scamming Americans. And it literally takes only one government that doesn't care (or isn't able to enforce for whatever reason) for your strategy to be impossible.

I'm sure the US government could think of one or two things to put enough pressure on such countries, if it cared to do that.
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