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Proposing suicide as a solution. It is quite cowardly, because you are rejecting the terms life handed you. Courage is persisting through to finding a way of living on those terms.

In absolutely no way on earth did I propose suicide as a solution - what vile nonsense. Maybe read something properly before throwing a damaging allegation like that. Pfft. I’m done commenting any more on this topic with you.

Not you specifically. I'm sorry if that was the impression.

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I only met him once, fairly briefly, and exchanged a few messages about our shared interest in compilers. But he seemed like a nice guy, and it's incredibly sad to see this.

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Please talk to someone if you are feeling hopeless. U.S. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 800-273-TALK (8255) National Suicide Helpline UK 0800 689 5652 His HN profile was also just his name https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=chrisseaton I wish the best for his family and friends over the next few months. This will be a tough holiday season for them. You never know what is going on in someone's life and no clue…

If you are struggling with self-worth, please read very carefully the posts of people who actually knew Chris Seaton. People value him by how much of himself and his time he was willing to give to others, not by some absolute measure of his skill. This is a capacity everyone has.

In fact, you probably have touched someone (if unknowingly) in a similar manner. People who decide to go, very very often leave behind a heart shattered to pieces - unknowingly.

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> For learning purposes, anyone knows what was his major cause of frustration? Suicide isn't because of frustration. Everyone has frustrations, most don't kill themselves because of it.

I do think it's interesting that it's so widely stigmatised (illegal even) though: like we've collectively decided life is meaningful and must be lived to the best of your ability, deciding there's nothing in it for you and you don't want to take part is not (with very niche old-age && ill-health exception) allowed. Weird, when you step back and think about it isn't it? If you're agnostic/atheist at least.

I wouldn't say I agree but can understand the point of view.

I think a lot of people would feel differently about someone who takes his own life because of a terminal illness such as cancer, where it's seen as a way to end up in the same place while avoiding a lot of pain and suffering. "Death with dignity." So why don't we feel the same way about someone with painful, debilitating depression? We don't really understand how to cure depression. We have some drugs that help some people, analagous to what narcotics do for people in physical pain. But we don't understand how to cure depression, as we don't understand how to cure cancer. Maybe someday we will, but what does that do for the people suffering today, who just want a way out?

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Desperately sad news. I never met him, he never met Me, but https://chrisseaton.com/army/ made a real impression on me. It’s the kind of thing that sits in your head and pops up from time to time. I found the level of dedication here alongside his professional success incredibly inspiring. Tragically, part of that article is about his young daughter. Not really sure what to think now.

Like you his article about the army reserve made an impression on me. I myself am a serving officer in the Canadian Army reserve and I reached out to him to connect. He was generous with his time and we were chatting about work, life, and army stuff this year. He offered help in finding me a role within Shopify and most recently he congratulated me on finishing my junior officer training.

Chris was not just a great technologist but also an officer and a gentleman. Rest in peace, Sir.

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The outpouring of love in the replies on that thread. It is tough to comprehend how that wasn't enough to prevent this.

Like many mental illnesses, depression interferes with your perceptions. It's not that that love "wasn't enough", it's that a person deep in depression can't even accurately see or feel that love.

Depression might not even really be about love. Seems like aggression plays a big role in it too.

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Being downvoted for these points is a clear (and uncomfortable for mentally healthy people to digest) example of why depressed people often feel it’s pointless to speak and be honest about their thoughts. Because they feel no one wants to hear them.

There is a fine line between being honest with your thoughts and indulging in unhelpful solutions as anything other than unhelpful. Life is not about living on the terms you choose. You inherit the terms under which you are to live. Rejecting those terms is indeed cowardly. Being able to adapt is what takes courage. (And I say this with full awareness of my own limitations as well.)

To some people simply living for some time requires more courage than any reasonable person would muster in a lifetime. Reprimanding them for not having even more courage seems a sad thing to say.

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My experiences as a person who has been suicidal, who has been close to suicidal people, and who has had friends who committed suicide all tell me that it's not as simple as "wanting to die". The same person can feel completely different about their continued viability as a living person within the same hour. The version of that person who wants to continue living is just as worthy of respect. And we can only reach out to and support the people who are still alive.
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