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Recommendations for Japan Travel

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Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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post #92

> the boom in tourism in Japan over the last decade or so has made the beaten path… less than wonderful It's not just Japan. I've been travelling a lot for many years, for work and pleasure, in Asia, Europe, and Latin America. In this time, the experience has become consistently much worse everywhere I go. I personally blame social media and camera phones for this. In the past, a place might be busy, but people were…

Looks like a lot of gatekeeping on your part. This was the good old days when you were travelling but now that other people travel, they are the worst because they take too many selfies. Negative impact of tourism have been documented for a while. There’s just more people traveling because flights got cheaper. But new travellers aren’t worse than you were, there’s just more of us traveling and it makes our impact mor…

It’s not gatekeeping to be nostalgic about a moment in time when fewer people were preoccupied with performing for others. To perform in these public spaces necessarily restricts others own freedom in that space (like movement). Everyone is entitled to these public spaces, but there are those who will be bad actors and encroach on others to achieve their performance. There are way more now than ever in history because it is so easy to do (i.e, cameras used to be more cumbersome and expensive and harder to use).

It is gatekeeping to say these people (influencers, youtubers) don’t deserve to be there too because they are doing that in this space. I don’t think that is what was happening though.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#122

Having lived in Japan for two years, what I'd add to this is to spend a lot of time walking, if physically able. For example, in my opinion the best way to explore Tokyo is to simply leave your hotel in the morning, wander around all day, and stop anywhere and everywhere that looks interesting. The excellent mass transit system means that it won't be a problem to get back. In more rural parts of Japan, there are sign…

Tokyo is absurdly gigantic, I would not suggest randomly walking it. Also the subway system can be challenging, and the staff don't speak English, so if you get stuck they likely won't be able to help. Another random thing about the train system: there are women-only cars. I didn't realize this until I had already boarded and (as a man) I was absolutely mortified.

I feel like if you followed the advice and kept inside yamanote this is totally feasible

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#123

I would be careful with his advise on money. If you came to Japan in the past 3 months with no cash and a Visa card, you would be in deep shit. Visa cards are just not working here and it seems nobody cares to fix it. Japan is very safe so it's probably fine to just bring your budget in cash. Also outside of the beaten path like he advise people to go it's still very cash heavy society. Your taxi driver will not be h…

Yeah, I really doubt that would be issue for more than few days, any source to this wild claim?

Only thing I could find is that foreign cards might not work in some online payments or mobile payments, which is quite normal everywhere in world, but giving bold statement that your foreign card is useless and you can't even withdraw money from ATM seems like spreading fake news.

https://atadistance.net/2022/09/19/foreign-visa-cards-blocke...

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#124
I’m not sure about the off the beaten path as general advice. There’s people who will always go off the beaten path because that’s what they do. Getting around and finding things to do in large cities is much easier than rural ones.

I love going to onsens and the best ones are off the beaten path and usually vary hard to get to without access to a car. (If you’re into driving Japan is a lot of fun. I particularly like driving along the coastline through the Atami Ito area. Mountain driving with steep incline/declines and switchbacks is also fun.)

In small towns there’s often just one central train station and everything else is by bus, taxi, or car. Buses and taxis are terrible options so it basically leaves driving. While it’s easy to rent a car I don’t think it’s a realistic option for most travelers.

While there’s things to do in small towns it’s often a lesser experience. Shops and restaurants close earlier and there’s less variety. It’s a lesser experience than what you’d get in a major city.

Moreover there’s tons of things to do on the outskirts of large cities. Take Koedo (小江戸) as an example. You often don’t have to go very far out for a different experience and still have all the accessibility of the city.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#125
post #15

I'm not sure when this post was originally written, but at a quick glance I can see some mentioned stores/restaurants that have since unfortunately shut down (like Deus Ex Machina which I used to frequent when it was in Harajuku but has since moved about 45 minutes away to Asakusa). This might not be the most up-to-date resource if you're visiting Japan in the future. Also, this list specifically recommends the APA h…

Interesting. My wife worked for APA. I never heard about this before, I’ll have to ask.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#126
I've traveled all 47 prefectures of Japan, and done all sorts of "edgy" stuff that AtlasObscura has yet to cover, such as trails where only several dozen people have crossed that season. I've also revisited tourist hotspots like Kiyomizu-dera in Kyoto several dozen times.

I'd recommend people follow the beaten path. Is the most touristy spots in Japan and Kyoto "overrated" (given how popular it is)? Yes. But if you take out the crowds, is it grander and more significant than obscure site seeing spots off the beaten path? Yes. Efficient Market Theory applies to site-seeing places, especially with the internet.

There is a tendency in SV and on HN to be contrarian, but there's a good reason touristy places are popular. You get the most value for your time, especially if traveling is an expensive luxury for you and you don't want to take the risk. The best travel experiences I had in Japan were in obscure places, but the reason I've been lucky is that I went to hundreds of obscure places, most of which were duds. Popular places have also been vetted by other foreigners plus the feedback loop of the business ecosystem being ready to handle a wide range of tourists.

Take restaurants for instance. The Japanese taste palette is rather muted/bland compared to what Americans are used, and even most other Asian countries. Consider how Japan only has two Hai Di Lao restaurants, a relatively pricy restaurant for most of the population, while a much lower income country like Vietnam has at least 10. Sure, there are some things that are "objectively" universally loved, let's say sushi, but the random Japanese hole in the wall with a line of locals waiting might be interesting, but not necessarily delicious, to a foreigner. If you read the Google Maps review for restaurants, you'll find two separate ratings distributions between English-writing reviews and Japanese reviewers. There's also a matter of price sensitivity. When you've already spent the fixed cost on flights, accommodations, you might as well make the most of your trip and try the best of the city has to offer. It's kind of outside the sunk cost fallacy. If you're living there, it's not financially sustainable to eat a Michelin star restaurant everyday. You'll evaluate restaurants based on relative value, wherein you have the option and leisure to go to tens of thousands of other restaurants, whereas a traveler only gets a few shots. At any rate, if you follow the beaten path for restaurants recommended by foreigners, you'll likely like it. If you pursue restaurants that Japanese people like, sure, you'll get some arguably authentic Japanese food for the experience but doesn't necessarily mean you'll enjoy it day in day out.

Personally, I would never go to the Ninja restaurant OP mentioned, as my taste palette has been calibrated to the Japanese. It's just screaming tourist trap. There is nothing wrong with that since the "tourist traps" in Japan are still pretty good. I just know it'll be over-priced. If I wanted Ninjas, I'll just go Mie prefecture where they incubated. But if you're visiting Tokyo, power to you for checking out the Ninja restaurant. If you're visiting Kyoto, I recommend "Menbaka Fire Ramen". The Japanese locals I know in Kyoto would not spent that kind of money ($15?) on ramen, especially one they think is way too salty, but I just took a guest who was visiting and it's been their favorite ramen shop in Japan.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#127
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're only going to one US city though, it might as well be NYC.

I've known practically all my life that I never want to visit NYC. I would like to visit a city like Pittsburgh though, or Charleston, or Milwaukee (and other US cities and towns smaller than these three too).

NYC is an amazing place. What about it makes you want to never visit?

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#128
post #45

This is somewhat adjacent for which I apologize, but being a Japan Fan of the travelling variety I have noticed a trend on HN toward Japan related articles. My understanding is HN has no user-specific algorithmic feed changes, so is this just a natural increase in interest toward Japan in general I'm seeing since the borders opened up? Most of the articles aren't even travel related, just about Japanese culture or pe…

Japan’s just a fascinating place. There’s no place quite like it in the world and as cultures exchange and evolve and become more connected, it’s unlikely there ever will be.

But Japan seems less "fundamental" than many other cultures including the Greeks, Persians and Chinese for example who all lay claim to thousands of years of cultural significance.

Is there a Japanese equivalent of Budha or Aristotle or Confucius.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#129
post #92

> the boom in tourism in Japan over the last decade or so has made the beaten path… less than wonderful It's not just Japan. I've been travelling a lot for many years, for work and pleasure, in Asia, Europe, and Latin America. In this time, the experience has become consistently much worse everywhere I go. I personally blame social media and camera phones for this. In the past, a place might be busy, but people were…

Looks like a lot of gatekeeping on your part. This was the good old days when you were travelling but now that other people travel, they are the worst because they take too many selfies. Negative impact of tourism have been documented for a while. There’s just more people traveling because flights got cheaper. But new travellers aren’t worse than you were, there’s just more of us traveling and it makes our impact mor…

When I visited the Great Buddha in Kamakura a couple of years ago, there were dozens of foreign tourists laying down, sitting, or posing on or next to the statue in a way that our native Japanese friend remarked how disrespectful they were being. I don't think it would've been as bad before smartphones and influencer/YouTube culture, but I can't really say.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#130
What it’s like to travel and especially dine with small children? Our is 1 and 3 and not exactly behaved in Japanese nor European terms - they make mess and break things in restaurants. Will we have hard time in Japan?
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