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Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #104
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #97

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This is a paranoid vision of how China works. TikTok is a private company that wants to make money. If it could make more money by showing Chinese audiences more trashy content, it absolutely would. And in fact, it does show a great deal of mindless content in China. However, as is well known, China has recently been trying to regulate children's use of the internet (e.g., time limits on internet gaming). If companie…

> This is a paranoid vision of how China works. The more I read about China the more paranoid I get. I don't think they haven't earned it.

I recommend going to China and seeing for yourself.

What you read from afar and what you see on the ground are very different. Imagine if all you heard about the US were constant stories about gun violence, drone strikes and homelessness. You'd have a very distorted view of life in America. That's basically the situation with China, if your only point of reference is what you read in the English-language media.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by pelagicAustral »

Dig1t wrote: post #62
pjc50 wrote: post #17

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The US doesn't reward factual programming, that's why the History Channel turned into the Ancient Aliens Channel.

This made me laugh, it’s so true! Growing up I absolutely loved the History Channel, once they became the ancient aliens and Pawn Stars channel, I was so sad. Similar thing happened to G4 tech TV.

Actually I think what happened to G4 was Frosk

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by nradov »

safog wrote: post #101
kelnos wrote: post #91

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> If the US passed laws requiring TikTok to do the same in the US, they would obviously comply. Except for the part where that law would end up being declared unconstitutional, and rightly so. Then again, if TikTok has no US ownership, perhaps it would pass constitutional muster. 1A doesn't specifically mention US citizens or US-owned corporations, though, just that that government shall pass no laws abridging the fr…

Curious - why would it be unconstitutional? There are plenty of laws forcing companies to engage in certain kinds of behavior. The latest I've seen is the beer manufacturing / distribution / sales breakup as a result of the post-prohibition policies. Manufacturers can't distribute, distributors can't sell to consumers and so-on. I think people might not tolerate such govt interference, but assuming it's law I don't t…

The Constitutional bar is pretty high for requiring anyone to engage in forced speech, even if it's purely commercial. Laws requiring broadcasters to transmit a certain amount of public interest or educational programming were generally upheld by the courts because spectrum is a limited public resource, and radio waves reach into everyone's home whether they want it or not. But cable TV and streaming video services have effectively unlimited capacity, so those old rules never applied to them.

Alcohol is a separate issue entirely. The 21st Amendment gives states broad authority to control distribution.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by onetimeusename »

htag wrote: post #59
onetimeusename wrote: post #45

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I think this is a serious issue but underestimated. People in the US believe that the top science and engineering roles should be filled by immigrants which I don't think is sustainable or even a healthy view of education. I am basing this on the huge foreign population of our top schools and the push for H1-B visas. It can be a self fulfilling prophecy if people remove themselves from the running for STEM in earlier…

The linked study is for children aged 8-12. How does a 12 year old "remove themselves from the running for STEM"? A six grader taking average math/science classes and getting average grades is on track for qualifying for a science/engineering/math undergraduate program. There's even opportunities later in life for those struggling in school to join STEM. When I was 12 all my friends wanted to be rock stars or profess…

People often try to get into top tier high schools to help them in their STEM careers starting at ages 8-12. At elite universities, most students have already seen calculus by the time they get there. A student doing average at age 12 probably won't see calculus by then.

I think in reality, preparation for STEM takes years. It helps to have an education that fosters interest at a young age as well. I am specifically questioning the priorities of the US's view of education. As I said, we rely heavily on H1-B and have very large foreign populations in STEM degrees. Social media may not be the cause. What matters is that there clearly isn't early interest. Early interest translates to having more graduates. As I posted elsewhere, there is a clear difference in what degrees foreign students pursue in the US (more STEM) versus what US students pursue. This seems like a difference in values that I think we should examine.

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Post by dontbenebby »

pessimizer wrote: post #107
dicomdan wrote: post #61

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Whataboutists have arrived.

With their inconvenient, completely factual statements.

Thanks parent.

Whataboutism would be saying it’s ok to abuse users on behalf of totalitarians not equally criticizing anyone who does so.

(At least with Twitter they had to bribe a Saudi lol)

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Post by throwawayhx »

emodendroket wrote: post #90
blopker wrote: post #76

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I'm not sure if this claim is true or not, but the person in your first reference is Andrew Schulz. He's a comedian who has already come out to say that he made all that up, and the media just ran with it [0]. [0]: https://youtube.com/shorts/tAV3QkzHC5E

As US confrontation with China has become more open, the evidentiary standard for any stories about China has headed toward North Korea levels, where we constantly read about people being executed in baroque ways before a couple months before they make new public appearances, apparently risen from the dead.

Oh come on. China has basically been getting a pass from Western media for their concentration camps for Muslims. Probably because nobody on the west wants to look "racist"

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #121
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #104

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> This is a paranoid vision of how China works. The more I read about China the more paranoid I get. I don't think they haven't earned it.

I recommend going to China and seeing for yourself. What you read from afar and what you see on the ground are very different. Imagine if all you heard about the US were constant stories about gun violence, drone strikes and homelessness. You'd have a very distorted view of life in America. That's basically the situation with China, if your only point of reference is what you read in the English-language media.

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Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by emodendroket »

throwawayhx wrote: post #126
emodendroket wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As US confrontation with China has become more open, the evidentiary standard for any stories about China has headed toward North Korea levels, where we constantly read about people being executed in baroque ways before a couple months before they make new public appearances, apparently risen from the dead.

Oh come on. China has basically been getting a pass from Western media for their concentration camps for Muslims. Probably because nobody on the west wants to look "racist"

They've gotten nothing like a "pass;" the issue has received a lot of coverage.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by juve1996 »

Kreutzer wrote: post #37
andrewstuart wrote: post #13

It matters which country controls the platform. The recent protests in China have been suppressed by the CCP. No doubt there are close to zero protest videos on TikTok. There are protest videos on YouTube - though anecdotally YouTube management is attempting to suppress them because Google is tightly bound to China. The question is, does it matter if protest videos are shown or hidden on social media? Can the videos…

The actual amount of protests in China were laughably small in comparison to how the state depart... I mean 'free press' in the US portrayed it. Yes, there were reasonable protests against zero-Covid measures, no there was no revolution in progress.

Are there examples of US media saying it was a revolution?
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